Would Bulls fans trade Derrick Rose for LeBron James if they had the chance?

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]
I'm saying you should use the raw data. Does Lebron or Jordan have an advantage at the FT line according to True Shooting? How much does it weigh scoring more points at the ft line on 9% better shooting? That is a huge gap.
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Jordan gets the advantage because Lebron's eFG% is better, the FT shooting is what makes his TS% better. Lebron's superior FT rate is what makes it closer though.

[QUOTE=chazzy]And yet you preach W/S and PER as tell-all stats like they're gospel :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Writing a novel about me? :oldlol:

Anyway, I use those stats because they're not just measures of efficiency; they combine EVERYTHING into how a player is producing (his production).

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]actually its not. looking at the raw fg% and raw 3pt percentage is more accurate.[/QUOTE]

This.

[QUOTE=tpols]Jordan absolutely has an advantage at the line. Jordan, as I said before, is less efficient from the field than lebron(eFG).. but he is 9% more efficient from the line. This jumps him ahead of lebron in TS because all TS is is eFG with FTs taken into account. It literally reflects reality perfectly.:oldlol:

Wait but misses are important right? You said before misses and makes were all that mattered and now you don't want to argue eFG? Of course you don't because I just showed you that lebron's eFG is higher than jordan's because lebron has a higher 2ptFG that is masked by the fact that he takes more 3s. Sit down son.[/QUOTE]


my god. no it doesn't. you are ignoring so many things.

sit down son?

wtf are you talking about? you aren't even understanding what we are debating.

we are debating raw data vs manipulated data. you prefer manipulating data and estimating points per possession. i prefer looking at the raw data and making conclusions.

again. i don't think true shooting is balanced properly because it does not account for missed shots the way raw numbers show you and values free throw rate too high.

Raw %s don't account for volume at all, how is only looking at FG% and 3P% superior to eFG%?

Current Rose hasn't even been as good as a 2nd year Wade, counting playoffs, and you guys are saying you wouldn't trade him for LeBron frigging James? Stop acting like you're idiotic and sick in the head, the Bulls organization would do this in a heartbeat and not even think about it.

[QUOTE=chazzy]Raw %s don't account for volume at all, how is only looking at FG% and 3P% superior to eFG%?[/QUOTE]
It's not.

Gino cant even argue it anymore. Look above^. He's playing dumb now.:oldlol:

[QUOTE=Papaya Petee]Current Rose hasn't even been as good as a 2nd year Wade, counting playoffs, and you guys are saying you wouldn't trade him for LeBron frigging James? Stop acting like you're idiotic and sick in the head, the Bulls organization would do this in a heartbeat and not even think about it.[/QUOTE]


Yeah right.


You must not know about Gar and Pax and they way the Bull's org is run.

[QUOTE=chazzy]Raw %s don't account for volume at all, how is only looking at FG% and 3P% superior to eFG%?[/QUOTE]

Field goal attempts made and missed do. I thought that's what they're for :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Field goal attempts made and missed do. I thought that's what they're for :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
He said %s. eFG% accounts for volume and rate, and gives credit to the extra point from 3s.

[QUOTE=chazzy]Raw %s don't account for volume at all, how is only looking at FG% and 3P% superior to eFG%?[/QUOTE]

What?

Why wouldn't you look at attempts as well? Why the **** do you people want everything to be so limited?

You act like its hard to also check attempts.

LOL

[QUOTE=Go Getter]Yeah right.


You must not know about Gar and Pax and they way the Bull's org is run.[/QUOTE]
Okay whatever you say, lets not trade for the best player in league by a decent amount for a guard who scores 24 PPG on 44% and plays average defense.

[QUOTE=chazzy]He said %s. eFG% accounts for volume and rate, and gives credit to the extra point from 3s.[/QUOTE]

As does looking at FG made and missed; 3PT made and missed. You get someones FG and 3PT% from it.

You don't look at just %'s without volume. That's just stupid.

[QUOTE=JohnnySic]Fans might not. Team would in a second.[/QUOTE]

No they wouldn't. Considering pieces have more to do with fitting into the team puzzle and personality than it does stats. Rose is more valuable to the Bulls than Lebron would be at this point. Lebron is a statwhore, not a leader or team-player. Rose is currently perceived as the franchise' savior with his winner's mentality and killer instinct. On top of that, it will piss off their fan base, jeopardizing finances. It would be a terrible move.

You would be the worst GM in the league if you thought this was anywhere near a good idea.

LeBron had a higher 2 pt % last season than MJ ever did in his career.