ISH All-time Top 25 Guards Project: #2 Kobe Bryant vs Magic Johnson.

move on to magic vs jordan for the 1 spot before we hear anymore kobe driven agendas... magic has the vote count wrapped up pretty much

[QUOTE=D.J.][B]Magic[/B]


He was the face of the Lakers. He was more efficient on the offensive end, made others around him better, better rebounder, better ball handler, made much smarter decisions with the basketball, and completely took over the team once[B] Kareem[/B] aged and Riley told him he had to.

Kobe, although he too has 5 rings, only has 2 as the [B][SIZE="5"]big dog[/SIZE][/B]. He's obviously the better scorer, but he does make some questionable decisions with the ball. His D is better, but his 25-30 PPG, his very average shooting percentage, and his choices do not put him above Magic[/QUOTE]
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:facepalm

[QUOTE=Boston C's]move on to magic vs jordan for the 1 spot before we hear anymore kobe driven agendas... magic has the vote count wrapped up pretty much[/QUOTE]


yup those 10 hard core fans:rolleyes: ...voted thier vote....

Magic wasn't the best player on the Lakers in 1980,82, or 85.

And I didn't realize 56% TS, 57% TS during prime, 58% TS at peak was average.

SMH.

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24][SIZE="4"][/SIZE]

:facepalm[/QUOTE]


Who do you think was the big dog from 2000-2002? Perhaps it was one with 3 Finals MVP's?

[QUOTE=D.J.]Who do you think was the big dog from 2000-2002? Perhaps it was one with 3 Finals MVP's?[/QUOTE]


So magic was the Big Dog in 1980 and Kareem was the Sidekick?....right?..according to your basketball math?...

I'll tell you who the Big Dog is..the Big Dog is the one with the ball in thier hands with the game on the line....

The Big dog is the first option in Crunchtime....

The Big dog is the one who puts up 33PPG 7REB 7AST on the 01' Spurs in the post season...

The Big Dog is the one called the best allaround player in the NBA at 22 years old.

The Big Dog is the one who stays and goes to 3 more NBA Finals....

The Big Dog gets voted as player of the Decade by the majority (not 10 bias fans online)...



The Big Dog isn't the one who gets traded (what is 6 times) plays on 7+ 50 win teams(without K24) capable of winning it all and never sniffs the type of domination he had with Kobe....



deal wit it son....



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oh yeah...kareem is the greatest Center/ arguably GOAT...and you sittin here saying Kobe gets slighted for Shaq?.....



pssst...next

[QUOTE=D.J.]Who do you think was the big dog from 2000-2002? Perhaps it was one with 3 Finals MVP's?[/QUOTE]

If I may:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kM2OdZPVaw[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOcRucPSB8U&feature=channel_video_title[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBMy_eb2MjM&feature=relmfu[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WFKeF0zUbY&feature=relmfu[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M74mSPzhKww&feature=relmfu[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjyelpOQ0Z8&feature=relmfu[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymhEWrLDXYA&feature=relmfu[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L82_EchHzr4&feature=relmfu[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7dLNpLa5Do&feature=relmfu[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCEzBtxuKLA&feature=relmfu[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kziv0TFEZnY&feature=relmfu[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnStXw5baEo&feature=channel_video_title[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwIWoe2L2DQ&feature=relmfu[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1olhePhxyc&feature=relmfu[/url]

Now if only Game 1 of the 2002 Finals could be found, we would have the complete answer.

[QUOTE=D.J.][B]Magic[/B]


He was the face of the Lakers. He was more efficient on the offensive end, made others around him better, better rebounder, better ball handler, made much smarter decisions with the basketball, and completely took over the team once Kareem aged and Riley told him he had to.

Kobe, although he too has 5 rings, only has 2 as the big dog. He's obviously the better scorer, but he does make some questionable decisions with the ball. His D is better, but his 25-30 PPG, his very average shooting percentage, and his choices do not put him above Magic[/QUOTE]

Every-time someone mentions Kobe not being a "marque" player or "1st option caliber player" in either 01' or 02'; I instantly label an idiot. Notice how badly this project got derailed as soon as Kobe's name was brought up? People on both ends of the fence just have some weird infatuation with this guy.

Now back to my previous point. You have to look at the context of each situation to really truly find how valuable a player is; just because Kobe was considered the 2nd best player on his team should not minimize his accomplishments one bit especially in 01' & 02'.

If a player like Carmelo Anthony was surrounded by a bunch of All-Stars and won five rings as the best player on his team; does it really mean it holds more weight then Kobe winning a ring with Shaquille (being the 2nd best player)?

We all know Carmelo isn't better then Kobe yet he won five rings as the #1 option, should he get more credit for that? Of course not, because you always have to go into detail and actually observe the situation in greater detail.

Besides Shaquille & Kobe, LA never really had any player that was even remotely close to making the All-Star team in any of those years. None of them were considered more then glorified role players who stuck to their role & brought constant effort on the court. It was never Shaquille and company; it was Shaquille, Kobe & company because everyone who doesn't have agenda journals in their back-pocket know that Kobe was invaluable in 01' & 02'. He was their go-to guy in crunch time basically every game; considering opposition actually used Shaquille as an incentive to stop the clock and re-gain position (because of his free throw deficiencies). I remember countless times Kobe taking over games late in games and carrying his team to victories; in particular when Shaquille fouls out and Kobe rallies his team to victory in overtime, remember that?

If Shaquille carried Kobe and we should discredit Kobe from those first three championships; then how come Shaq couldn't carry Eddie Jones, Nick Van Axel and Elden Campbell prior to Kobe becoming a star in the NBA? Uhm...

It is kind of ironic actually that people keep emphasizing how lucky Kobe has been & most of his success should be attributed to Shaquille; yet the guy has more rings then Shaquille. Let's recap their teammates quickly shall we?

Shaq played with Wade, James, Bryant, Penny, Van Axel, Nash, E. Jones.
Kobe played with Shaq, Gasol, Odom & Bynum. :oldlol:

Paradox people.

So in conclusion; Kobe has five rings because he earned them. People were doubting the man after Shaquille left and he won more then Shaq himself. Kobe was at the very least the fifth best player in the league in 01' & 02' and arguably the 2nd or 3rd most dominant player throughout the playoffs in 01'. He was damn good in 02' and was alright in 00'. Only reason people try to belittle Kobe that year is because Shaq arguably had the greatest playoff run in league history, including a historic finals. People are quickly to shed light on how poorly Kobe played against Indiana but never once mention his injury early in that series.

Kobe might have been the 2nd option on the Lakers all those years, but he is a 1st option on every-team in the league besides SA, LA & Minnesota.

So because of that abnormal parity, we should discredit Kobe?
:rolleyes: Yeah, proceed with the hate.

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]yup those 10 hard core fans:rolleyes: ...voted thier vote....[/QUOTE]

have no idea what that means but lemme do what you do

yup you mad

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Magic anyday

[IMG]http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/9f065a51641a5bc6e953292f82174f6e.jpg[/IMG]

^^^:lol


But seriously tho, I'd take the guy who doesnt airball in the clutch twice in a row :oldlol:

[QUOTE=KingBeasley08]^^^:lol


But seriously tho, I'd take the guy who doesnt airball in the clutch four times in a row :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
fixed. :lol

do we even need to make a magic vs mj thread everyone knows who is going to win, lets just move onto the forwards

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]So magic was the Big Dog in 1980 and Kareem was the Sidekick?....right?..according to your basketball math?...

I'll tell you who the Big Dog is..the Big Dog is the one with the ball in thier hands with the game on the line....

The Big dog is the first option in Crunchtime....

The Big dog is the one who puts up 33PPG 7REB 7AST on the 01' Spurs in the post season...

The Big Dog is the one called the best allaround player in the NBA at 22 years old.

The Big Dog is the one who stays and goes to 3 more NBA Finals....

The Big Dog gets voted as player of the Decade by the majority (not 10 bias fans online)...



The Big Dog isn't the one who gets traded (what is 6 times) plays on 7+ 50 win teams(without K24) capable of winning it all and never sniffs the type of domination he had with Kobe....



deal wit it son....



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oh yeah...kareem is the greatest Center/ arguably GOAT...and you sittin here saying Kobe gets slighted for Shaq?.....



pssst...next[/QUOTE]
Na I pretty sure the big dog wins 3 Fmvps and a Mvp in 2000. Yep I am pretty damn sure.:lol