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[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Adding all the High School, NCAA, and Globetrotter baskets to a 2nd version of this video that will encompasses all his known field goals on film.[/QUOTE]
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Just another suggestion.
Maybe a a "mixed bag" of solid Chamberlain highlights, but in sections. Say, a section with Chamberlain's blocks (or defense in general); then another section with his great passing; then a section with his dominating inside post game; and finally a section devoted to his all-around offensive skills, including that college footage.
And perhaps, a section involving his play against the other "greats", like Russell, Bellamy, Thurmond, Kareem, Reed, Lanier, and even Gilmore.
You could still make it around a 30 minute video, but reduce some of the more duplicated efforts.
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how about one of Iceman Gervin or Havlicek or Moses Malone or (good luck finding anything at all) Dan Issel or Mel Daniels?
How about one of another all-time great, Earl the Pearl? Or my all-time favorite player Walt Frazier? Or even of them together, the famed and ever-glorious Rolls Royce Backcourt?
Better still how about a montage of those Knicks, who rampaged over the league from '69 to '74, going to 4 straight Finals and winning two?
Willis "The Captain" Reed - Top 50, Hall of Fame
Walt "Clyde" Frazier - Top 50, Hall of Fame
Earl "the Pearl" Monroe - Top 50, Hall of Fame
Dave "Diamond Dave" Debusschere - Top 50, Hall of Fame
Jerry Lucas - Top 50, Hall of Fame
Dollar Bill Bradley - Hall of Fame
Red Holzman, coach - Top 10 Coach, Hall of Fame
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Okay so after I added all the Overbrook, Kutchers, Kansas, and Globetrotter footage several new moves are added to Wilt's repertoire that did not show up in the NBA footage, and a LOT more relative volume of deep catches and transition baskets were added... if the final composition is any indication of how Wilt played during his scoring years in the NBA than holy shit. His shots and spins came from either shoulder on his jump shot and spin moves when he was younger given the addition of the footage of him, and on the right block he even shot from the baseline just as he did from the left block which the limited amount of NBA footage did not reveal. And he also did face up jump shots with free throw line extended range. The addition of this footage now matches the descriptions of what others who watched Wilt play had mentioned, they said my NBA mix lacked the versatility of his shooting ability from his younger NBA years - so he must have been using those types of shots in his first few NBA seasons.
Expect to see this up some time tomorrow. 45 minutes in length, long yes but then again so are the best Michael Jordan and Shaquille O'Neal mixes that I've watched on Youtube.
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[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Okay so after I added all the Overbrook, Kutchers, Kansas, and Globetrotter footage several new moves are added to Wilt's repertoire that did not show up in the NBA footage, and a LOT more relative volume of deep catches and transition baskets were added... if the final composition is any indication of how Wilt played during his scoring years in the NBA than holy shit. His shots and spins came from either shoulder on his jump shot and spin moves when he was younger given the addition of the footage of him, and on the right block he even shot from the baseline just as he did from the left block which the limited amount of NBA footage did not reveal. And he also did face up jump shots with free throw line extended range. The addition of this footage now matches the descriptions of what others who watched Wilt play had mentioned, they said my NBA mix lacked the versatility of his shooting ability from his younger NBA years - so he must have been using those types of shots in his first few NBA seasons.
Expect to see this up some time tomorrow. 45 minutes in length, long yes but then again so are the best Michael Jordan and Shaquille O'Neal mixes that I've watched on Youtube.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Okay so after I added all the Overbrook, Kutchers, Kansas, and Globetrotter footage several new moves are added to Wilt's repertoire that did not show up in the NBA footage, and a LOT more relative volume of deep catches and transition baskets were added... if the final composition is any indication of how Wilt played during his scoring years in the NBA than holy shit. His shots and spins came from either shoulder on his jump shot and spin moves when he was younger given the addition of the footage of him, and on the right block he even shot from the baseline just as he did from the left block which the limited amount of NBA footage did not reveal. And he also did face up jump shots with free throw line extended range. The addition of this footage now matches the descriptions of what others who watched Wilt play had mentioned, they said my NBA mix lacked the versatility of his shooting ability from his younger NBA years - so he must have been using those types of shots in his first few NBA seasons.
Expect to see this up some time tomorrow. 45 minutes in length, long yes but then again so are the best Michael Jordan and Shaquille O'Neal mixes that I've watched on Youtube.[/QUOTE]
I know they're still in the making but how long do you expect the mix for Oscar and Russell to be?
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Exceptional.
The "Wilt-bashers" should be required to watch all 45 minutes. This certainly captures his offensive arsenal, including his mid-range shooting. His fall-away bank shot (almost exclusively from the left block BTW) was perhaps the most dominant shot in NBA history (sorry Kareem.) And his early 15+ ft range is also on display in the middle of this footage.
Still, these 45 minutes only cover about 2% of his actual career, and the reality was,...there is no complete game footage of ANY of Chamberlain's 271 40+ point NBA games (as well as 122 of his 50+ point games, or his 32 60+ point game, or his six 70+ point games...nor his 100 point explosion.)
As extraordinary as this video is...and it is without question, the best ever on Wilt... the question remains, ...what spectacular events in Wilt's career are we missing (or, how much of them)?
I have said it before, but the background commentary (and even the music) is fantastic. I would contend that it contributes every bit as much as the actual footage does. Comments from his peers, coaches, writers, announcers...well, the overwhelming consensus from them... Wilt was simply the GOAT.
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CAVS this is really amazing...It would be great to See 1 video with all the available wilt's blocks ...
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[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Exceptional.
The "Wilt-bashers" should be required to watch all 45 minutes. This certainly captures his offensive arsenal, including his mid-range shooting. His fall-away bank shot (almost exclusively from the left block BTW) was perhaps the most dominant shot in NBA history (sorry Kareem.) And his early 15+ ft range is also on display in the middle of this footage.
Still, these 45 minutes only cover about 2% of his actual career, and the reality was,...there is no complete game footage of ANY of Chamberlain's 271 40+ point NBA games (as well as 122 of his 50+ point games, or his 32 60+ point game, or his six 70+ point games...nor his 100 point explosion.)
As extraordinary as this video is...and it is without question, the best ever on Wilt... the question remains, ...what spectacular events in Wilt's career are we missing (or, how much of them)?
I have said it before, but the background commentary (and even the music) is fantastic. I would contend that it contributes every bit as much as the actual footage does. Comments from his peers, coaches, writers, announcers...well, the overwhelming consensus from them... Wilt was simply the GOAT.
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Couldn't agree more Laz..........as great as the footage is the music and commentary REALLY make it exceptional. I just want to say a huge THANK YOU to Cavs for all his outstanding efforts on this forum.
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[QUOTE=Iceman#44]CAVS this is really amazing...It would be great to See 1 video with all the available wilt's blocks ...[/QUOTE]
I have a video of Wilt's blocks I downloaded off you tube a few years ago. It was removed for whatever reason shortly after I got it. It's about four and a half minutes long. I don't believe it has ALL Wilt's blocks.....I'm sure I've seen a few others in other videos. It shows Wilt blocking Kareem several times. Chances are Cavs has it, but if not I can send it to him.....or to you if you want it.
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[QUOTE=Helix]I have a video of Wilt's blocks I downloaded off you tube a few years ago. It was removed for whatever reason shortly after I got it. It's about four and a half minutes long. I don't believe it has ALL Wilt's blocks.....I'm sure I've seen a few others in other videos. It shows Wilt blocking Kareem several times. Chances are Cavs has it, but if not I can send it to him.....or to you if you want it.[/QUOTE]
There's a lot more than 4 and a half minutes worth of Wilt blocking shots captured on film AFAIK, I was thinking about doing a defensive rebounding / defense / passing scouting project at some point so it's a possibility I will cover it in the future
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Forgot to post the latest video in here:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOBX9ikNzEk[/url]
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[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]There's a lot more than 4 and a half minutes worth of Wilt blocking shots captured on film AFAIK, I was thinking about doing a defensive rebounding / defense / passing scouting project at some point so it's a possibility I will cover it in the future[/QUOTE]
Yea, chances are there are a lot more than what that video shows. I haven't seen it for quite some time............I'll have to find it and take a look. I KNOW it had several blocks on Kareem, but I don't think it had the one against Chicago that West raved about, nor the one in the all star game.
The video you speak of possibly doing in the future would be great. Once again, thanks for all your efforts Cavs.
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Here's something that I think will shut lots of haters up once and for all, but will take also extra time and effort: Comparing similar situations in "old" and "newer" NBA videos by putting them close to each other and having them run at normal speed. I remember having watched an old Youtube video that compared Carl Lewis to Bob Hayes in a 4x100 race and it was shown that Hayes might actually have been faster - unfortunately, I can't find this video. I also remember myself arguing with an anti-60's "competitive" troll about certain players' athleticism and when I showed him that NCAA short video of Wilt blasting at full throttle for a fast break, he told me that he timed Wilt and found him as fast as Greg Oden in his rookie tryouts (I usually don't remember such details, but this was too good to miss :oldlol: ). I also showed him a video of West doing something similar and he also refused to admit he was fast. Such crap would not fly anymore if we had this kind of comparative videos that would show, e.g, West running along with Chris Paul, Russell running along with David Robinson, Wilt jumping along with Shaq, etc and holding their own.