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[QUOTE=Smoke117]Anthony Davis doesn't need to dominate the ball. That's not his game. Sixty two percent of his shots were assisted on this past season and 69% are assisted on for his career. He's not going to dominate the ball for the simple reason that, that isn't his game. Davis is a great star to team up with LeBron for this reason. He's going to get a lot of easy buckets off LeBron's playmaking.[/QUOTE]
:applause: nice post. CAn't wait for Lebron alleyoops to AD :bowdown:
[QUOTE=Smoke117]
how big of an impact Pippen was having [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]regardless if he was scoring a lot of points or not.[/COLOR][/B]
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MJ and Pippen's excellence as perimeter defenders simply offset their league-worst rim protection, and allowed the Bulls to have the 7th, 4th, and 7th best defenses from 91-93'...
So Pippen wasn't this guy that gave the Bulls the best defense in the league - not even close - him and MJ simply gave the Bulls a good defense to accompany their goat offense (#2 and #5 [U]all-time[/U] team ORtg in 92' and 91')
So you're overrating Pippen's impact... He's Draymond without tomahawk dunks, assuming Dray was 2nd option and getting about 4-5 more ppg... That's what MJ won 6 rings with, and that's why he had to average 4-5 more ppg than everyone in history to do it (woat offensive help)
Btw, you say that it's no biggie that Pippen wasn't a great scorer - so you're saying it's completely reasonable to ask the #1 option to score 4-5 more ppg than everyone in history (10-20 more than his 2nd option for all Finals, aka 1-man show), while still leading his team in assists most playoff runs???? That's doesn't smack of "goat" to you?
[QUOTE=Smoke117]
I sometimes wonder if you actually even watched these Bulls series
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You apparently didn't watch back then if you think Pippen was a big factor (bigger than other 2nd options)
I was there at the time, and the Bulls were viewed as a 1-man show
People just forget:
[url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=01m32s&v=N6og_pOVi2w[/url]
:facepalm
[QUOTE=Smoke117]
Yawn. You are like a child the way you argue.
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Why, because you can't refute it?
Because Lebron lost with juggernaut help, while MJ only lost with weak help?
I'm making sound arguments with tons of proof... You're whining... That's what's happening here
UPDATE: Akratozile IS BACKKKKK!!!! :eek:
:banana: :dancin :hammertime:
[QUOTE=3ball]
So you're overrating Pippen's impact... He's Draymond without tomahawk dunks[/QUOTE]
buuuullshit. :lol
Scottie Pippen was a top 5 lotto pick in the NBA's golden era.
Draymond green was a second rounder.
[QUOTE=Smoke117]
Then you bring up dumb shit like this. [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Who cares about the 89 Bulls or an 89 Pippen? [/COLOR][/B]Nobody says he was a star. The fact that you are trying to compare an 89 Pippen to the best Mo Williams shows how much better Pippen was than him when the Bulls were winning championships, though. So good job. That the 09 Cavs underachieved doesn't really say anything in regards to winning with less or more. This is an indictment on the Cavs.
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[B]Lebron had the[I][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR][/I] #1 SRS team in 2009, but lost to the #4 SRS team
Jordan had the #10 SRS team in 1989, but beat the #1 SRS team..
Heck, MJ pulled a bigger upset than Dwight... :oldlol: [/B]
^^^^^ That's not significant??... MJ fans aren't supposed to bring this up and compare the casts like the big gap between Mo and Pip?... C'mon bruh, you expect me to let you win an argument that you're wrong about?... by NOT bringing up the salient points?... Makes no sense.. why would I do that
The reality is that pre-2011 Lebron had 4 teammates that were superior to 89' Pippen:
[INDENT][I]- all-star Mo
- 2-time all-star Jamison
- steals leader and 22/5/5 first-team defender - 05' Hughes
- 2-time all-star Zydrunas[/I][/INDENT]
Yet MJ won 6 rings and Lebron lost to Dwight in 09', faked an elbow injury during a 2010 meltdown, and then started team-hopping in 11'.
Heck, Lebron had the reigning East all-star center in 06' and 22/5/5 all-defender Hughes - one must assume that MJ would've beaten 89' Detroit with these guys rather than 89' Pip
Ultimately, there's this perception that pre-2011 Lebron was carrying lottery casts to high seeds and the Finals, while MJ was losing with Pip... But in reality, MJ's 85-89' casts are worse than anything Lebron ever had... That's why MJ had to [U]carry[/U] his team to a close series with the 89' champs, while Lebron shoots 35% but still takes the champs 7 in 08'
[QUOTE=tpols]buuuullshit. :lol
Scottie Pippen was a top 5 lotto pick in the NBA's golden era.
Draymond green was a second rounder.[/QUOTE]
Dray was a scholarship athlete at MSU, while Pip was a waterboy at Central Arkansas
Ultimately, both are considered late bloomers that took 3 seasons before they were viable NBA players
Dray developed into an equal or better shooter, passer, and rebounder than Pippen.. pippen is only a better slasher
It's simply not a stretch to say that Dray is Pippen without the tomahawk or 2nd option status, and the stats show this below:
[COLOR="DarkRed"][i]PIPPEN 91-93' PLAYOFFS[/I]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 20.3.... 8.2.. 6.1.. 53.6 ts.. 3.4 tov.. 2nd option[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"][i]DRAY[color="white"]....[/color] 15-16' PLAYOFFS[/i]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 14.6.. 10.0.. 5.6.. 53.5 ts.. 2.6 tov.. 3rd option[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkRed"][i]PIPPEN 96-98' PLAYOFFS[/i]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 17.6.... 7.4.. 5.0.. 50.0 ts.. 2.5 tov.. 2nd option[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=3ball]Dray was a scholarship athlete at MSU, while Pip was a waterboy at Central Arkansas
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but if thats the case why was scottie taken top 5, and dray not top 30?
cmon breh... pippen was more talented. Hes basically a 6'9 sleek super dray.
I[QUOTE=tpols]but if thats the case why was scottie taken top 5, and dray not top 30?
cmon breh... pippen was more talented. Hes basically a 6'9 sleek super dray.[/QUOTE]
There's a lot of guys that are more athletic and slicker than Duncan, but they aren't better
Look how many horrible series Pippen had [U]as 2nd option[/U].. routinely getting 15 on 35%
Pippen and Dray are both defensive players with limitations on their offense - I don't believe there's a material gap between them -
Take Dray from Game 7 in 2016 - that's as good as Pippen ever played - Dray became 2nd option with his teammates slanking and would've had FMVP over the league scoring champ if Kyrie misses... Pip was never close to that..
And Pip was mechanical - not that slick - look at Pippen's shot attempt right before Kukoc gets the nod by Phil in 1994 - pip is a joke offensively.. looked like he just learned how to play yesterday on that play... That's a microcosm of his offensive ability when guys get up in his chest and play that real D
[QUOTE=RRR3]Yeah MJ needed proof that THIS guy wasn
[QUOTE=TheMan]You're all over the place, pal.
So Robert Parish isn't soft because he hammered Bill Laimbeer with a cheap shot, that's proof he wasn't soft according to you but LeBron, who has never thrown a punch in his whole career in the NBA, isn't soft :confusedshrug:
Please make up your mind...mmm kay?[/QUOTE]
You're soft now if you don't throw a punch? Because getting thrown out of the game like an idiot is so hard right? Way to clown it up as always.
[QUOTE=Turbo Slayer]Ether.[/QUOTE]
Forgot to log into another alt, ya fggot ass starface :lol
[QUOTE=Smoke117]You're soft now if you don't throw a punch? Because getting thrown out of the game like an idiot is so hard right? Way to clown it up as always.[/QUOTE]
Bro, fights happen all the time in every sport, tempers get flared and from time to time, ya gotta man up. No one is taking about grabbing a bat and beating someone to a bloody pulp, but when someone is trying to punk you, you gotta stand up.
[QUOTE=TheMan]You're all over the place, pal.
So Robert Parish isn't soft because he hammered Bill Laimbeer with a cheap shot, that's proof he wasn't soft according to you but LeBron, who has never thrown a punch in his whole career in the NBA, isn't soft :confusedshrug:
Please make up your mind...mmm kay?[/QUOTE]
Do you understand nuance?
Parish doing that clearly showed he was willing to throw hands and wasn’t to be ****ed with. Not doing stuff like that doesn’t make you soft, though, it probably means you don’t think getting thrown out of the game is worth macho posturing and are able to control your temper.
[QUOTE=TheMan]Bro, fights happen all the time in every sport, tempers get flared and from time to time, ya gotta man up. No one is taking about grabbing a bat and beating someone to a bloody pulp, but when someone is trying to punk you, you gotta stand up.[/QUOTE]
Or you can be smart and let your game do the talking and not hurt your team by getting ejected.
[QUOTE=RRR3]Or you can be smart and let your game do the talking and not hurt your team by getting ejected.[/QUOTE]
Nope..
Do you realize that if Lebron was a borderline NBA talent, his current mentality of being scared to fight would ensure that he [I]doesn't[/I] make it?... Another borderline guy that was willing to scrap would undoubtedly make it in his place.. I promise