The Top 100 Greatest NBA Players Of All Time According To ISH

[quote=Niquesports]How many years was Russ in the league before he won his first title ?????
At least you admit that Hakeem gave Shaq the Jail house booty snatch with no vasiline.[/quote]

Shaq was torched on the defensive end, but that is to be expected when you have only been in the league two years. On the offensive end Shaq still had an impressive series (against a prime Hakeem none the less).

How many HOF's did Russel play with. You can say Big Ben doesn't deserve to be on the list because he was only defender. When Russel was a glorified defender, who had no offensive game, and played with 5 (4/5 don't remember) HOF while Big Ben played with none.

[QUOTE=Lebron23]What are you talking about? Ben Wallace is one of the greatest defensive Center of all time, and he's a 4X NBA Defensive Player of the Year.

That's very impressive for a guy that was undrafted in the 1996 NBA Draft, and his real height is only 6'7".[/QUOTE]


I agree That Ben was an overachiever but there were other undersized centers that were heads over heels over Ben Unseld and Reed just to name a couple.

[QUOTE=The Nets]Because he's in Cavaliers? :confusedshrug:

I'm not actually a Ben Wallace hater and I hate nobody, but ranking Ben Wallace at top 100 is just freaking ridiculous.[/QUOTE]


Even if you are a fan of another team in the NBA. I think you should give some appreciation to Ben Wallace because he can play in any era, and he would still be a rebounding machine.

He's the closest thing to a Prime Dennis Rodman, who was regarded as one of the greatest defender in NBA History.

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[B][U]NBA records, achievements and milestones[/U][/B]


* NBA Champion: 2004
* 4-time NBA All-Star: 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006
* 4-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year: 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006
* 6-time All-NBA Defensive Team:

* First Team: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006
* Second Team: 2007

* 5-time All-NBA:

* Second Team: 2003, 2004, 2006
* Third Team: 2002, 2005

* 2-time NBA regular-season leader, rebounds per game: 2002 (13.0), 2003 (15.4)
* NBA regular-season leader, blocks per game: 2002 (3.5)
* 2-time NBA regular-season leader, total rebounds: 2001 (1052), 2003 (1026)
* NBA regular-season leader, total defensive rebounds: 2001 (749)
* 2-time NBA regular-season leader, total offensive rebounds: 2003 (293), 2006 (301)
* NBA regular-season leader, total blocks: 2002 (278)


* Only player in NBA history to record 1,000 rebounds, 100 blocks, and 100 steals in 4 consecutive seasons (2001-04).[5]
* One of three players in NBA history to record 150 blocks and 100 steals in 7 consecutive seasons (2001-07) (along with Hakeem Olajuwon and David Robinson).[5][12][13]
* One of four players in NBA history to lead the NBA in rebounding and blocking averages in the same season (along with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton, and Hakeem Olajuwon).
* One of three players in NBA history to average 15 rebounds and 3 blocks per game over a season (along with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Bob McAdoo).
* Only undrafted player in NBA history to be voted a starter for the NBA All-Star Game.
* One of two players in NBA history to receive NBA Defensive Player of the Year Award 4 times (along with Dikembe Mutombo).
* Only undrafted player to receive a contract of $54 million+ from one team.
* Ranks 16th all-time in blocked shots (1903)* in NBA history[14]
* Ranks 24th all-time in offensive rebounds (2898)* in NBA history[15]
* Ranks tied for 24th all-time (with A.C. Green) in defensive rebounds (6119)* in NBA history[16]
* Ranks 43rd all-time in total rebounds (9017)* in NBA history. [/quote]

[quote=Niquesports]Well if he was past his prime with the Bulls and now the Cavs what[B] did he do before he got to the pistons he was a below than avg center[/B] true he was a very good banger but for real he's just another Charles oakley[/quote]

No you idiot. When he was at Orlando he was considered an solid defender, but didn't have nearly near the minutes that he did with the pistons. When Ben Wallace got on the pistons he was given the ample playing time to show them off, and he capitalized it winning 4 consecutive defensive player of the year and being the only player in NBA history to record 1,000 rebounds, 100 blocks, and 100 steals in 4 consecutive season.

[QUOTE=Godfather]Shaq was torched on the defensive end, but that is to be expected when you have only been in the league two years. On the offensive end Shaq still had an impressive series (against a prime Hakeem none the less).

How many HOF's did Russel play with. You can say Big Ben doesn't deserve to be on the list because he was only defender. When Russel was a glorified defender, who had no offensive game, and played with 5 (4/5 don't remember) HOF while Big Ben played with none.[/QUOTE]


Russ played with about 5 HOF and one of the greatest coaches of all time and every single one of them will say Russ was that teams leader. He even lead one of those title teams as a player coach. Thats leadership. Russ was great from his first game until his last Ben cant say this as a matter of fact Ben was a below avg center for more years than he was as an DPOY so lets get him out of this discussion.

[QUOTE=Godfather]No you idiot. When he was at Orlando he was considered an solid defender, but didn't have nearly near the minutes that he did with the pistons. When Ben Wallace got on the pistons he was given the ample playing time to show them off, and he capitalized it winning 4 consecutive defensive player of the year and being the only player in NBA history to record 1,000 rebounds, 100 blocks, and 100 steals in 4 consecutive season.[/QUOTE]


Hey stupid there was a reason he wasnt getting the min. with orlando he didnt deserve them but hey dummy before he went to Orlando he was with the bullets where he was again a below avg center just like he was with the Bulls the Cavs and the magic i see a pattern he's below avg with every team except the pistons which also didnt really lose much since Big Bum left

Kobe's got 24 (jersey number) :)

[QUOTE=Niquesports]Hey stupid there was a reason he wasnt getting the min. with orlando he didnt deserve them but hey dummy before he went to Orlando he was with the bullets where he was again a below avg center just like he was with the Bulls the Cavs and the magic i see a pattern he's below avg with every team except the pistons which also didnt really lose much since Big Bum left[/QUOTE]
Actually i'd say BBW is doing pretty good for the Cavs this year. He isn't asked to do very much, but he is their defensive anchor and shuts down the opposition PF when asked to.

[QUOTE=Lebron23]Even if you are a fan of another team in the NBA. I think you should give some appreciation to Ben Wallace because he can play in any era, and he would still be a rebounding machine.

He's the closest thing to a Prime Dennis Rodman, who was regarded as one of the greatest defender in NBA History.[/QUOTE]


I dont think there is any question that Ben was a old school center but as a player he wasnt better than Bill laimbeer Bobby Jones or mark Aguirre. IF you look at Bens career none of the Pistons benifited more than him. Every other player game was on equal while they were on other teams Bens performance drops drastically when on other teams.

[QUOTE=Mdog1]Actually i'd say BBW is doing pretty good for the Cavs this year. He isn't asked to do very much, but he is their defensive anchor and shuts down the opposition PF when asked to.[/QUOTE]


granted he is in the twilight of his career but he's no where near playing at an all star level like he did when he was surround by players that covered up for his weakness.

[QUOTE=Niquesports]granted he is in the twilight of his career but he's no where near playing at an all star level like he did when he was surround by players that covered up for his weakness.[/QUOTE]
No I agree. He is playing good D this year though, and I think he really is enjoying that 14.5 that he is being paid. If he was on a 8 a year deal it would be worth it.

[QUOTE=KB42PAH]-Poor, unfundamental jumpshot mechanics (KB = perfect jumpshot)
-A defensive liability (only plays 1 side of the floor, unlike KB who is 9 time defensive member)
-Slow foot speed, quickness (no where near KB)
-His finish ability around the rim is no where near kobe[/QUOTE]

1. who cares what's fundamental or not when the shot goes in more than your peers. Peja's shot is ugly as hell and he's still one of the greatest shooters in the game. And Kobe's jumper is not perfect considering he fades on every shot whether it's needed or not. He can make it so its not a fault but it's not fundamental either.
2. Bird was also on all defensive teams...AND Kobe's all D team nominations are SOOOO overrated due to media groupthink of him being an all world defender. If he was so good they wouldn't hide him on pathetic offensive players in the playoffs.
3. You're comparing the foot speed of a 6 foot 10 guy against that of a 6 foot 6? No sh*t he's got better foot speed. By this logic, Bird's a better rebounder...disregard the fact that he's taller. Also, Bird's foot speed may not have been the greatest but he had some of the quickest hands of all time in the NBA. He covered his faults if he had any and actually turned them into strengths.
4. You're talking out of your ass so much here. Bird was a better shooter and better finisher than Kobe. Bird created so many great finishes. Most creative player of all time (Magic and Jordan are up there as well). Seriously, look on youtube to start. Then watch some games. Get knowledgable.



[QUOTE=KB42PAH]-Lacked a 3 point shot and the finish ability of KB. Lacked the killer instinct, clutchness, off-hand abilites of Kobe as well.[/QUOTE]

Jordan lacked killer instinct?! That's what made him the greatest of all time! Without that he's Vince. It what drove him to dominate everything with a heartbeat and not stop until he did. Clutchness, he's far far far better as well. Kobe, despite the media hype, is not the greatest clutch player around. Good, but not great.



[QUOTE=KB42PAH]-West? Please tell me thats a joke. He had no off-hand, not a great finisher around rim ( compared to KB), nowhere as good defensively.[/QUOTE]

No joke. Where's the joke? West was clutcher and a better shooter while being no slouch on the defensive end either. And what is this finishing around the rim nonsense you keep bringing up? West didn't dunk so he's not a great finisher? Children...

[QUOTE=KB42PAH]-Jordan is the only one thats in same boat as kobe skill wise.

Kobe vs. Jordan (Skil wise)

Kobe: Better shooter ( Midrange, Longrange), Better Ball-handler, Better scorer, better off-hand, better killer-instinct, better passer, better playmaker

Jordan: Smarter player, better inside player, better post player, more consistent defensively.[/QUOTE]

I don't want to hate on Kobe, he gets far more than his fair share on this site, but you are forcing people to dislike him. Jordan was a better midrange shooter, not as good long range, but developed it throughout his career and posted percentages oftentimes higher than Kobe's (in less attempts, granted). I'll give you the ball handler, but not the off hand, killer instinct, passing, playmaking and ESPECIALLY NOT scoring. Kobe scores 81 and people think he's the greatest scorer in history. Not the case. Jordan was consistently a better scorer in the regular season and in the playoffs (including the finals...Kobe...).

[quote=Niquesports]Hey stupid there was a reason he wasnt getting the min. with orlando he didnt deserve them but hey dummy before he went to Orlando he was with the bullets where he was again a below avg center just like he was with the Bulls the Cavs and the magic i see a pattern he's below avg with every team except the pistons which also didnt really lose much since [SIZE=5][B]Big Bum[/B][/SIZE] left[/quote]

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Now you are just acting immature. Since it is obvious you have understanding of a player's prime, nor athletic progression (thinking Russel could compete with today's players), there is no point arguing with you.

[QUOTE=Godfather]:banghead:

Now you are just acting immature. Since it is obvious you have understanding of a player's prime, nor athletic progression (thinking Russel could compete with today's players), there is no point arguing with you.[/QUOTE]

This is why you cant get it . Sure like everything else players today are bigger more athletic and if russ was born in 1983 and not 1930's he would be bigger stronger and with the skills that he had would be even better. Same with Wilt But no player dominated there peers like Russ and Wilt did. Thats all you can compare how did they do against there peers.

[QUOTE=Niquesports]Russell 11 titles and 2 NCAA Titles
Hakeem didnt win a title until Jordan was out the league
Robinson could never lead his team to a finals until Duncan can and took over the team
Shaq is just another version of Wilt and we all know how many times Russ lead his team over Wilt.
Ewing patterend his game after Russ being coach by John Thompson who played with Russ.

ITs funny how you want to say Russ played with 7 HOF and even a HOF coach but he is the only player /coach that was on all 11 title teams.
Find any news article or player or coach that has seen Russ play and show me one that has him ranked lower than a top 5 center.
Maybe you have a problem that he did everything Barkley couldnt lead his teams to Championships.[/QUOTE]


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