Some of you have never seen Magic or Bird play I presume. Go watch them, and stand in awe. I haven't seen players like them YET.
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Some of you have never seen Magic or Bird play I presume. Go watch them, and stand in awe. I haven't seen players like them YET.
[QUOTE=Thorpesaurous]I think a lot of the increase in FT is related to the on ball touch fouls that became so prominent in the last four or five years. Teams are getting buried in bonus situations because refs are making tick tack calls on the ball, and probably even more so in terms of percentage versus years ago off the ball. Especially early in the game when they're trying to set a standard for the game. And every year it's at it's worst at the start of the season, then tapers off.
Anyway, there's some interesting stuff in this thread if you can sift through all the crap. And while I disagree to an extent with Miles and Plowking, you've both made some good cases.
That's a great post from RonySeikley too.[/QUOTE]
All of those supporting the 80's and 90's are simply ignoring the facts and don't want to accept that todays era is just as good as back then.
"Players back in the 80's and 90's were better shooters thus they had way better FG%"
Stats are shown that todays players take more jumpshots due to zone thus the lower FG%, and that all up the TS% is approximately the same.
"Now there are too many fouls called, it is all soft"
Stats show that there were more fouls called in the 80's by a good 5 free throws.
"Passing, Bball IQ, and fundamentals have all decreased"
Thats why you have players like Jose Calderon, Chris Paul, Nash, Deron averaging insanely high assist numbers, in particular Paul and Calderon in the limited minutes he played last year.
Furthermore you have Chris Paul averaging something like 2.6 turnovers while averaging something like 11.5 assists. I'd say that fundamentals are getting better when players are finding a way to keep the ball safe and still average incredible passing numbers.
"Defense is not as good as it was now"
Then there is a double standard where they say todays rules help the offensive player (which I disagree with), yet scores are being kept at the same number approximately. So therefore defense is getting better going by statistics and further rules put in place.
Bird is the 2nd greatest player after MJ.
[QUOTE=LarryLegend33]Bird is the 2nd greatest player after MJ.[/QUOTE]
Based on what exactly?
Who wins?
08 garnett allen and pierce are way to much for the slower unathletic 84 celtics.
Magic played with a top 5 player all time. Give Bird Kareem and let him play out west and Bird ends up with 10 titles.
uh oh...
[QUOTE=LarryLegend33]Magic played with a top 5 player all time. Give Bird Kareem and let him play out west and Bird ends up with 10 titles.[/QUOTE]
:sleeping
good luck with that pal.
[QUOTE=Mamba]08 garnett allen and pierce are way to much for the slower unathletic 84 celtics.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
GTFOH.
Bird would piss on Garnett
[QUOTE=LarryLegend33]Magic played with a top 5 player all time. Give Bird Kareem and let him play out west and Bird ends up with 10 titles.[/QUOTE]
Another troll.
What's with all the Bird threads lately?
[QUOTE=Mamba]08 garnett allen and pierce are way to much for the slower unathletic 84 celtics.[/QUOTE]
yeah thats kind of dumb and uneducateed and ignorant in 84 that was Larry Legend's best year [B]HIS PRIME[/B] how on earth is paul pierce going to stop Larry Bird in his prime honestly
There is a reason Micheal Jordan said if Bird had the athleticism of some of the guys today, he would be without question, no doubt in anyone's mind, the greatest player to ever touch a basketball.
Bird > Magic.
'84 Celtics in 5.