NBA has suspended Gilbert Arenas indefinitely until investigation ends

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If the US doesn't want him I'm sure there's a place for him here in Europe.[/QUOTE]

I doubt Europe is that desperate for players.

[QUOTE=Nero Tulip]It is not a big deal, what a ridiculous league and a ridiculous country obsessed with security. I can't believe most of you guys are defending Stern.

For a country that pretends to defend liberty you're quick to judge and condemn a guy whose only fault was to make a joke. I knew Stern wanted to attract chinese viewers to the NBA but he took it a little too far, giving his best imitation of the chinese government.

If the US doesn't want him I'm sure there's a place for him here in Europe.[/QUOTE]

When did I defend David Stern? I don't think Gilbert Arenas should be suspended indefinitely. I have no comment on his contract being voided, but Arenas hasn't exactly helped his situation by his comments and actions.

You think guns are a laughing matter? How old are you? There are many stories going around, and when there's smoke there's usually fire. I don't know about you, but if a co-worker of mine took out a couple of guns and told me to playfully shoot him in the knee I wouldn't be laughing. I would think that guy is mentally insane.

[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]When did I defend David Stern? I don't think Gilbert Arenas should be suspended indefinitely. I have no comment on his contract being voided, but Arenas hasn't exactly helped his situation by his comments and actions.

You think guns are a laughing matter? How old are you? There are many stories going around, and when there's smoke there's usually fire. I don't know about you, but if a co-worker of mine took out a couple of guns and told me to playfully shoot him in the knee I wouldn't be laughing. I would think that guy is mentally insane.[/QUOTE]
Damn right. Just ask the family of Jayson Williams victim how stable a man playing with guns is. The NBA has been down this road before and they do not want to go where it leads.

[QUOTE=Nero Tulip]It is not a big deal, what a ridiculous league and a ridiculous country obsessed with security. I can't believe most of you guys are defending Stern.

For a country that pretends to defend liberty you're quick to judge and condemn a guy whose only fault was to make a joke. I knew Stern wanted to attract chinese viewers to the NBA but he took it a little too far, giving his best imitation of the chinese government.

If the US doesn't want him I'm sure there's a place for him here in Europe.[/QUOTE]
I am glad to hear you guys have no laws where your at. Over here though we have laws and all citizens are required to follow those laws. Even damn near mentally retarded stupid ass joking basketball players.

[QUOTE=icemanfan]Damn right. Just ask the family of Jayson Williams victim how stable a man playing with guns is. The NBA has been down this road before and they do not want to go where it leads.[/QUOTE]

Jayson Williams had been drinking and was playing around with a loaded shotgun....two completely different situations. Not only that, but someone actually died.

[QUOTE=thejumpa]Jayson Williams had been drinking and was playing around with a loaded shotgun....two completely different situations. Not only that, but someone actually died.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but Jayson Williams was just showing someone a gun he owned in the privacy of his own home. Which isn't nearly as bad as taking guns to work and jokingly telling someone to shoot you with them. What if Gil left a bullet in the chamber of one of his guns and Javaris "jokingly" took a shot at Gil? What if Javaris actually played along and pointed the gun at Gil and a security guard shot Javaris down? What if Javaris saw Gils gun, thought he was going to get shot, and shot Gil with his own gun? These are all reasons why you don't bring a gun to work and joke around with them. Yeah different jobs have different rules. A cop can bring a gun to work, but at elementary school teacher can't. Just because a stripper can be butt naked at work doesn't mean you can too. The NBA is a place where you don't bring guns to work. Gilbert Arenas not only showed poor judgment, he followed that by showing that he didn't take any of this seriously. He got what he deserved.

[QUOTE=monkeypox]Yeah, but Jayson Williams was just showing someone a gun he owned in the privacy of his own home. Which isn't nearly as bad as taking guns to work and jokingly telling someone to shoot you with them. What if Gil left a bullet in the chamber of one of his guns and Javaris "jokingly" took a shot at Gil? What if Javaris actually played along and pointed the gun at Gil and a security guard shot Javaris down? What if Javaris saw Gils gun, thought he was going to get shot, and shot Gil with his own gun? These are all reasons why you don't bring a gun to work and joke around with them. Yeah different jobs have different rules. A cop can bring a gun to work, but at elementary school teacher can't. Just because a stripper can be butt naked at work doesn't mean you can too. The NBA is a place where you don't bring guns to work. Gilbert Arenas not only showed poor judgment, he followed that by showing that he didn't take any of this seriously. He got what he deserved.[/QUOTE]
Not really defending Arenas here, he's an idiot, but you're not really accounting for the fact that Williams Killed someone. I repeat: Williams killed someone. Arenas may or may not have been joking, but the Crittenton family is not holding a funeral right now. As stupid as Arenas was, he didn't cross that line past which there is no turning back. He will be punished hard. He may lose his contract. Worst case, he does a year or two of hard time and maybe can't get back into the NBA afterward. But he is not a murderer. Williams may have been messing around himself, perhaps he had no intion of huurting anyone at the time. But he IS a murderer. Some kid lost their daddy, some woman lost her husband, etc. That is a huge difference, regardless of intention.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]Not really defending Arenas here, he's an idiot, but you're not really accounting for the fact that Williams Killed someone. I repeat: Williams killed someone. Arenas may or may not have been joking, but the Crittenton family is not holding a funeral right now. As stupid as Arenas was, he didn't cross that line past which there is no turning back. He will be punished hard. He may lose his contract. Worst case, he does a year or two of hard time and maybe can't get back into the NBA afterward. But he is not a murderer. Williams may have been messing around himself, perhaps he had no intion of huurting anyone at the time. But he IS a murderer. Some kid lost their daddy, some woman lost her husband, etc. That is a huge difference, regardless of intention.[/QUOTE]

Williams committed homicide, not murder so I wouldn't call Williams a murderer since he had no intent. Besides I'm not talking about end result, I'm talking about the act that Arenas is getting punished for here. The Williams incident, which was far milder than Arenas', led to a homicide. It wasn't a big deal till something went terribly wrong. Arenas is getting punished for the potential harm that his reckless and idiotic actions could have caused and the reason why the rules were put in to place. This, like drunk driving, isn't something you apply the "no harm, no foul" rule to. If one NBA player get's in to a car accident and kills someone and another drives drunk and just hits a tree, the drunk guys action is worse even thought no one died in his accident.

[QUOTE=monkeypox]Williams committed homicide, not murder so I wouldn't call Williams a murderer since he had no intent. Besides I'm not talking about end result, I'm talking about the act that Arenas is getting punished for here. The Williams incident, which was far milder than Arenas', led to a homicide. It wasn't a big deal till something went terribly wrong. Arenas is getting punished for the potential harm that his reckless and idiotic actions could have caused and the reason why the rules were put in to place. This, like drunk driving, isn't something you apply the "no harm, no foul" rule to. If one NBA player get's in to a car accident and kills someone and another drives drunk and just hits a tree, the drunk guys action is worse even thought no one died in his accident.[/QUOTE]
Your distinction is meaningless. Of course Williams' act "wasn't a big deal till something went terribly wrong." And Arenas' incident wouldn't matter to anyone on a national level if stories hadn't come out. And? Arenas never pulled a trigger, unlike Williams. Williams was punished more severely by the law because his crime was more severe, and that's pretty much all there is to it. It's not like Williams wasn't being "reckless and idiotic."

[QUOTE=niko]not broke from gambling, but there is actually a good percentage of nba players who lose most if not all of their money after retirement. i don't remember the pct but it was a "you have to be ****ing kidding" kind of percentage. we are picking on the nba but its not just them, its all athletes.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that it's like 70+ percent who go bankrupt.

Hey Wiz fans (do any exist?), TJ Ford for Mike James and Crittendon (immediately waived).

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]Hey Wiz fans (do any exist?), TJ Ford for Mike James and Crittendon (immediately waived).[/QUOTE]

LOL the Wizards aren't looking to add any salary. They have financial problems of their own.

(don't have time to read through this thread, so maybe this has already been addressed)

Seems to me that when major stuff like this goes down in the NBA, that league takes a MUCH harder hit than when big time controversy rocks other sports.

I hope people don't use this to judge the character of the league as a whole. This isn't the Malace in the Palace or anything like that.

It will be 3 years of limited basketball for Arenas now. Unless they can somehow void his contract, the deal he got has to go down as one of the most outrageous contracts of all time. This team will be mediocre for years as a result (that, and their other dealings)

[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]When did I defend David Stern? I don't think Gilbert Arenas should be suspended indefinitely. I have no comment on his contract being voided, but Arenas hasn't exactly helped his situation by his comments and actions.

You think guns are a laughing matter? How old are you? There are many stories going around, and when there's smoke there's usually fire. I don't know about you, but if a co-worker of mine took out a couple of guns and told me to playfully shoot him in the knee I wouldn't be laughing. I would think that guy is mentally insane.[/QUOTE]

I don't care if it's a laughing matter, and I am not saying I agree with Arenas. I don't even like the guy. But even Stern admitted that he suspended him for the little joke at the end of last game. That's the shocking part for me. That someone is suspended for a joke. Even a bad one.

Icemanfan: we have laws, and far less gun problems and more security in Western Europe. But we do not have laws against jokes, thank god.

[quote=ALBballer]LOL the Wizards aren't looking to add any salary. They have financial problems of their own.[/quote]

Hey, if they're able to void his contract that obviously solves a lot of money woes and they're saving cash while he's suspended anyway. 50% of lost money by a suspended player gets deducted from the cap.