What is Kobe's legacy if he beats Miami's big 3 in the finals?

You're a moron. Kobe in Washington is the exact same player individually. His numbers would probably be better. He's still going to have the same longevity. He's still going to be mentioned as one of the best if not [I]the best[/I] in the league. He's still going to put up the great stats (28-32/5-6/5-6). He's still going to be making many All-NBA 1st teams. So yeah, he's still the same player [I]individually[/I]. That's the point. ****ing moron. :facepalm

Because the wear and tear of being the main guy from day one wont affect his career.

Stop being stupid.

:roll: The guy is one of the best conditioned athletes in the league. He has the best work ethic in the league. He's a elite player in his [I]14th season[/I]. That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. What? Is not having Shaq going to take years off his career? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=Jacks3]:roll: The guy is one of the best conditioned athletes in the league. He has the best work ethic in the league. He's a elite player in his [I]14th season[/I]. That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. What? Is not having Shaq going to take years off his career? :roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
:facepalm

I'm done here.

*insert rolling smilie* *insert obvious facts we'll all know which show that I can't think for myself* insert parade of rolling smilies*

Of course you're done. You know damn well you're wrong. :cheers:

Over-Analyze Much?

WTF did I miss? :oldlol:

Ginobli:

I actually respect your intellect and the cases you make, but you went too overboard and expended a lot of unneeded energy. It was merely a collection of examples of how "What Ifs" can be exploited to no end. It was merely in relation to a point on the belief that every other player seems to be based on what they've done and accomplished but with Kobe, it's somehow a matter of circumstance. That's hypocrisy to me. Nothing more, nothing less.

But to play along, I agree Bryant wouldn't maintain .455 FG% on 23 FGA if he were to have shot that much 96-00. Since 2000-01, He's proven multiple times he can maintain it..

if people are that hellbent on diminishing bryant, then do so for 1999-2000. I don't find it logical to discredit what he did in 2001 & 2002 if it is based on performance. Those numbers are more than comparable to dwade 2006 postseason. He played with Shaq. He also performed as well as most "No. 1s."

This argument should've been DEAD The second lebron signed with miami.

Originally Posted by ginobli2311
i'll bite:

1. jordan
2. russell
3. magic
4. kareem
5. wilt
6. duncan
7. shaq
8. bird
9. hakeem
10. kobe


lol top 10.................stupidest shit ive ever heard. the **** else does this guy hav to do like holy shittt. he does it all and has his whole career. hes played with better competition yr in and out led and carried his team in good times and bad. knows more bout basketball than any player in nba history as phil jackson put it even jordan. like wtfff all yall tht do NOT hav him in top 3 are seriously dumb as sheeeeittt. wow ill rank those top 10 u hav for ya tho bud. jesus.....SMH
1 jordan (for now)
2 kobe
3 magic
4 kareem
5 bird
6 russell
7 shaq
8 hakeem
9 duncan
10 wilt

[QUOTE=mayo'sgrizz]Originally Posted by ginobli2311
i'll bite:

1. jordan
2. russell
3. magic
4. kareem
5. wilt
6. duncan
7. shaq
8. bird
9. hakeem
10. kobe


lol top 10.................stupidest shit ive ever heard. the **** else does this guy hav to do like holy shittt. he does it all and has his whole career. hes played with better competition yr in and out led and carried his team in good times and bad. knows more bout basketball than any player in nba history as phil jackson put it even jordan. like wtfff all yall tht do NOT hav him in top 3 are seriously dumb as sheeeeittt. wow ill rank those top 10 u hav for ya tho bud. jesus.....SMH
1 jordan (for now)
2 kobe
3 magic
4 kareem
5 bird
[B]6 russell[/B]
7 shaq
8 hakeem
9 duncan
[B]10 wilt[/B][/QUOTE]

Good lord! Wilt at #10 and Russell at #6? And Kobe ahead of Magic, Kareem, and Shaq??? We are all entitled to our opinions, but I would really like to read your reasoning on those slots...

[QUOTE=jlauber]Good lord! Wilt at #10 and Russell at #6? And Kobe ahead of Magic, Kareem, and Shaq??? We are all entitled to our opinions, but I would really like to read your reasoning on those slots...[/QUOTE]

This.

I've made a lot of posts defending Kobe here, but I've got him as the 3rd best LAKER. He's got time.. Its nothing to be ashamed of.

[QUOTE=ginobli2311]what do you mean?

i'll assume that its because i have duncan over shaq.

simple. duncan won just as much with less. 11 straight seasons of 50 or more wins. 4 titles as the number 1 option vs 3.

mostly though. defense. i have duncan as one of the 5 greatest defenders of all time. shaq "might" crack the top 50. that gap is huge. duncan could do everything on defense....and he did.

i could go on and on. shaq had a better peak....but duncan is the overall better player.[/QUOTE]

Sure Duncan is a fundamentally better defensive player, and what? Should we ignore Shaquille's sheer intimidation factor? Shaquille's mobility, quickness and overall defensive awareness was adequately enough for him to be used as an effective defensive anchor on any team, in any era. Look at Andrew Bynum, this guy has no clue what's going on the defensive end on majority of the possessions; but his length and general size allows him to be an intimidation factor inside. LA's defense is visibly worse [I]without[/I] Bynum inside, a guy who is fundamentally terrible in terms of defensive awareness. In conclusion, size matters; and Shaquille not only had size but mobility/general quickness and defensive awareness to boot.

In conclusion, I fully believe in the form over substance theory; at the end of the day I feel just as comfortable with Shaquille being my team's defensive anchor as I do with Tim Duncan; despite Duncan having the superior defensive prowess.

Outside of that, your reasoning is skewed. I'm going out right now, so I'm somewhat in a rush. But I'll subvert your opinion on how Duncan is the overall better player (completely subjective opinion; and is most definitely within the minority scope) and Duncan winning more with less (complete fabrication; same guy since he was drafted, had arguably the best front office in the entire league putting together a cohesive group of players around him). Playing along side two all-stars for almost a decade; one who is considered by many at the very least the fourth best SG this past decade (behind Iverson, Bryant and Wade) and Parker, an exceptionally efficient PG. Not to mention possibly the best X & O coach in the game, with a savvy set of veterans behind them. You're severally over-exaggerating the discrepancy in talent between the two players and completely denigrating Duncan's supporting cast.

[QUOTE=PowerGlove]:facepalm

[B]I'm done here.[/B]

*insert rolling smilie* *insert obvious facts we'll all know which show that I can't think for myself* insert parade of rolling smilies*[/QUOTE]

good...stay fcuking out of the Kobe & Laker related threads....

[QUOTE=Bring-Your-Js]This.

I've made a lot of posts defending Kobe here, but I've got him as the 3rd best LAKER. He's got time.. Its nothing to be ashamed of.[/QUOTE]

I agree. He MAY very well surpass Magic, Shaq and Kareem, but I just don't see his case as this point. If he were to retire tomorrow, would his career still be considered better than several of those folks on that list?

[QUOTE=Bring-Your-Js]This.
[B]
I've made a lot of posts defending Kobe here[/B], but I've got him as the 3rd best LAKER. He's got time.. Its nothing to be ashamed of.[/QUOTE]


yupe ..I think so...total posts = [B]39[/B] & joined date = [B]Aug 2010[/B]

I'm surprised more people don't have Erving in the top 10. He had incredible longevity and one of the greatest peaks ever. I suppose it's because he played in the ABA, but contrary to popular belief the ABA wasn't much different from the NBA in terms of competition or defense. In fact if I remember correctly half the all-stars in the all-star game post-merger were from the ABA.

[QUOTE=Lakers_Kobe_Fan]yupe ..I think so...total posts = [B]39[/B] & joined date = [B]Aug 2010[/B][/QUOTE]

What's your point? Check the percentage that have gone without any type of rebuttal from his wide world pool of haters. :facepalm

Klosed.