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[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]:oldlol: You think Jerry Sloan wants to energize the crowd instead of play as a team?[/QUOTE]
No, Jerry would take a layup over a dunk any day. The pass served no purpose, but a dunk over layup can.
I'm saying Jerry doesn't like thinking about stats AT ALL (except as related to W's). Rondo's play had nothing to do with the game and Jerry would have murdered him out on the court if he was his coach.
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where is InspiredLebowski when you need him
[QUOTE]but when a player steals the ball and passes it off to one of his teammates for an easy bucket he's stat padding?[/QUOTE]
You saying it isnt? what would you call clearly and beyond all argument pulling up to avoid a layup so you can pass to a guy slowing up himself out of position to get an assist? The team gets the same two points. But he gets the assist. Hes averaging like 14-15 a game. Hes clearly quite aware of that. If its not stat padding to not take the best shot in basketball multiple times for the sole purpose of stacking up a particular stat then what is it?
Hes not getting all these assists out of unheard of passing ability or just...being more unselfish than guys like Nash and Paul have in recent years. hes getting them because hes setting out to generate assists. And there is a difference between being unselfish and trying to create assists. Ive seen Celtic fans say he doesnt feed guys that often who arent in position to score easily. That he will dribble around a little and look for a cutter instead. That he passes for assists not to get someone in better position or position to go one on one when they have an advantage.
I can believe it seeing this. Hes out for the numbers.
Doesnt mean he doesnt want to win. Nobody can question his desire to win. Guy goes hard as hell. Id still take him on my team. Im just saying...hes a stat padder. One of the most obvious and to me...inarguable ones ive ever seen.
Wilt was a stat padder. Jordan was a stat padder that season he got all those triple doubles in a row. Bird was stat padding to get to 60 vs the Hawks. It happens. Great players do it. Rondo...is padding his assists beyond the normal basketball play.
He just is. Doesnt make him evil. But its hard to call it anything but stat padding. And because of it I kinda have to take his assists totals less serious.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]You saying it isnt? what would you call clearly and beyond all argument pulling up to avoid a layup so you can pass to a guy slowing up himself out of position to get an assist? The team gets the same two points. But he gets the assist. Hes averaging like 14-15 a game. Hes clearly quite aware of that. If its not stat padding to not take the best shot in basketball multiple times for the sole purpose of stacking up a particular stat then what is it?
Hes not getting all these assists out of unheard of passing ability or just...being more unselfish than guys like Nash and Paul have in recent years. hes getting them because hes setting out to generate assists. And there is a difference between being unselfish and trying to create assists. Ive seen Celtic fans say he doesnt feed guys that often who arent in position to score easily. That he will dribble around a little and look for a cutter instead. That he passes for assists not to get someone in better position or position to go one on one when they have an advantage.
I can believe it seeing this. Hes out for the numbers.
Doesnt mean he doesnt want to win. Nobody can question his desire to win. Guy goes hard as hell. Id still take him on my team. Im just saying...hes a stat padder. One of the most obvious and to me...inarguable ones ive ever seen.
Wilt was a stat padder. Jordan was a stat padder that season he got all those triple doubles in a row. Bird was stat padding to get to 60 vs the Hawks. It happens. Great players do it. Rondo...is padding his assists beyond the normal basketball play.
He just is. Doesnt make him evil. But its hard to call it anything but stat padding. And because of it I kinda have to take his assists totals less serious.[/QUOTE]
But when I say this, I'm called every name in the book.
[QUOTE=Glide2keva]But when I say this, I'm called every name in the book.[/QUOTE]
Bulls fan:mad: :mad: :mad:
lets not act like he didn't do it yesterday neither.
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scust @ whoring yourself like that. have some pride dammit!:oldlol:
here's the one with the Bulls
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looks like he was catching an inbound pass.:roll:
Come and deny this Celtic fans. I dare you.
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I honestly don't know how anyone can defend this debauchery.
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can anyone guess what happens next?
[QUOTE=The Next Jordan]So he likes to get the assist. Did anyone make a 13 page thread to complain when J-Kidd was in his prime running fast breaks and throwing off the backboard passes to K-Mart, RJ, and Vince rather than making an easy open layup?[/QUOTE]
exactly
Rondoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
And the Jason Kidd comparison doesnt make sense either. I remember at least 3 of those plays. 2 to Kmart one to Jefferson. The 2 I remember best were vs the Knicks on a legit fast break with defense running with them. It was just a pass to the guy trailing for the dunk but he put it off the backboard. It wasnt being so far out the defense isnt even trying to catch you....the guy behind you slows up because there is no need to keep going...and you slow down/stop and throw the ball way behind you to a guy who had no reason to expect the ball. just for the number.
I dont know if people are blind or stupid on this one.
If you dont care hes stat padding thats fine. But lets not act like its anything else. Just be real about it.
The one this topic was made on was one of the most obvious cases of stat padding ive ever witnessed. wasnt even like say....Gilbert arenas stopping on the break to do a bounce pass alley to Jrich like they did in Golden state early in their careers. He wasnt trying to get the crowd into it or make a great play.
He set out mid play to NOT make the basic play for the express purpose of generating a stat.
If you dont care thats one thing. We dont need to act like Mark Jackson was doing the same thing on a 2 on 1 break flipping it back to Dale Davis for a dunk though.
Ive been watching the NBA for over 25 years and thats as obvious a case of stat padding as ive ever seen.
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can anyone guess what happens next?[/QUOTE]
Please show us
[QUOTE=Premeditated]lets not act like he didn't do it yesterday neither.
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scust @ whoring yourself like that. have some pride dammit!:oldlol:
here's the one with the Bulls
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looks like he was catching an inbound pass.:roll:
Come and deny this Celtic fans. I dare you.[/QUOTE]
I want to see them defend this one.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]And the Jason Kidd comparison doesnt make sense either. I remember at least 3 of those plays. 2 to Kmart one to Jefferson. The 2 I remember best were vs the Knicks on a legit fast break with defense running with them. It was just a pass to the guy trailing for the dunk but he put it off the backboard. It wasnt being so far out the defense isnt even trying to catch you....the guy behind you slows up because there is no need to keep going...and you slow down/stop and throw the ball way behind you to a guy who had no reason to expect the ball. just for the number.
I dont know if people are blind or stupid on this one.
If you dont care hes stat padding thats fine. But lets not act like its anything else. Just be real about it.
The one this topic was made on was one of the most obvious cases of stat padding ive ever witnessed. wasnt even like say....Gilbert arenas stopping on the break to do a bounce pass alley to Jrich like they did in Golden state early in their careers. He wasnt trying to get the crowd into it or make a great play.
He set out mid play to NOT make the basic play for the express purpose of generating a stat.
If you dont care thats one thing. We dont need to act like Mark Jackson was doing the same thing on a 2 on 1 break flipping it back to Dale Davis for a dunk though.
Ive been watching the NBA for over 25 years and thats as obvious a case of stat padding as ive ever seen.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, I don't give a shit that he does it. Just DONT deny that he does it. Everyone does it, and they'll keep doing it.
[QUOTE=Rose]Exactly, I don't give a shit that he does it. Just DONT deny that he does it. Everyone does it, and they'll keep doing it.[/QUOTE]
Really, and stop getting mad when we call him on it.