Re: Would Bulls fans trade Derrick Rose for LeBron James if they had the chance?
[QUOTE=Papaya Petee]Okay whatever you say, lets not trade for the best player in league by a decent amount for a guard who scores 24 PPG on 44% and plays average defense.[/QUOTE]
The whole is greater than the sum of it's parts.
We don't need Lebron at the risk of losing a better team player that is younger and leading our team to the best record in the same conference as Lebron.
Championships are better than being able to say you had the best player on your team.
Re: Would Bulls fans trade Derrick Rose for LeBron James if they had the chance?
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]As does looking at FG made and missed; 3PT made and missed. You get someones FG and 3PT% from it.
You don't look at just %'s without volume. That's just stupid.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I find this conversation to be maddening.
Do they realize that we have access to all the raw data that goes into the TS formula?
Why would you ever choose an estimated formula over raw data on something as simple as this?
There aren't hundreds of variables. Its looking at a few things. Thats it.
This debate was not about whether or not TS is stupid. Its about which is better and more accurate. Raw data or TS....and i'll take the raw data every single time as would anyone with a brain.
Re: Would Bulls fans trade Derrick Rose for LeBron James if they had the chance?
at this point no they wouldnt. but once till the bulls lose in the playoffs and they might. they might then realize that derrick rose is not michael jordan part 2. oh wait he needs his scottie pippen :lol
Re: Would Bulls fans trade Derrick Rose for LeBron James if they had the chance?
[QUOTE=imdaman99]at this point no they wouldnt. but once till the bulls lose in the playoffs and they might. they might then realize that derrick rose is not michael jordan part 2. oh wait he needs his scottie pippen :lol[/QUOTE]
Lebron has his Scottie Pippen and his team still ain't shit (so far).
Re: Would Bulls fans trade Derrick Rose for LeBron James if they had the chance?
[QUOTE=PleezeBelieve]Props, Bulls fans. You all have a true superstar leader, who only wants to win and not chase fame.
Do you all realize what you have or would you be enticed to have the Queen on your tram in place of Rose?[/QUOTE]
Although I consider LeBron the best player in NBA currently..I don't think Chicago does it. Rose isn't that far behind and is improving at an alarming rate. Plus he is the "home town" kid
Re: Would Bulls fans trade Derrick Rose for LeBron James if they had the chance?
So how do you interpret all that raw data?
What's more efficient -
23FGA on 50% and shooting 33% on 1.7 3PA
20.6FGA on 48% and shooting 33% on 4.1 3PA?
Re: Would Bulls fans trade Derrick Rose for LeBron James if they had the chance?
[QUOTE=chazzy]So how do you interpret all that raw data?
What's more efficient -
23FGA on 50% and shooting 33% on 1.7 3PA
20.6FGA on 48% and shooting 33% on 4.1 3PA?[/QUOTE]
what do you mean?
not counting free throws? very comparable.
Re: Would Bulls fans trade Derrick Rose for LeBron James if they had the chance?
:roll:
yea they would :oldlol:
Re: Would Bulls fans trade Derrick Rose for LeBron James if they had the chance?
[QUOTE=Fatal9]LeBron had a higher 2 pt % last season than MJ ever did in his career.[/QUOTE]
Jordan in '89/90 on 2's - 942 / 1719 = .548
LeBron last season on 2's - 639/1141 = .550
On considerably less volume, yes LeBron was more efficient. :oldlol:
Re: Would Bulls fans trade Derrick Rose for LeBron James if they had the chance?
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]what do you mean?
not counting free throws? very comparable.[/QUOTE]
Comparable, but which one is more efficient from the field?
Re: Would Bulls fans trade Derrick Rose for LeBron James if they had the chance?
[QUOTE=chazzy]So how do you interpret all that raw data?
What's more efficient -
23FGA on 50% and shooting 33% on 1.7 3PA
20.6FGA on 48% and shooting 33% on 4.1 3PA?[/QUOTE]
PPG would be nice. Like TS and eFG%, you can't really determine who's more efficient without everything on the table.
Re: Would Bulls fans trade Derrick Rose for LeBron James if they had the chance?
[QUOTE=chazzy]Comparable, but which one is more efficient from the field?[/QUOTE]
very difficult to say because its not similar volume. one player is taking 2.4 more shots.
Re: Would Bulls fans trade Derrick Rose for LeBron James if they had the chance?
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]PPG would be nice. Like FG%, you can't really determine who's more efficient without everything on the table.[/QUOTE]
PPG would include freethrows, this tells you all you need to know about scoring from the field
Re: Would Bulls fans trade Derrick Rose for LeBron James if they had the chance?
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]very difficult to say because its not similar volume. one player is taking 2.4 more shots.[/QUOTE]
This is my point - Raw data shows you everything but you don't know how exactly to interpret similar data sets. You can look at this and say it's about the same, but stats like eFG% and TS% tell you which one is actually more efficient right down to the decimal point
Re: Would Bulls fans trade Derrick Rose for LeBron James if they had the chance?
[QUOTE=chazzy]PPG would include freethrows, this tells you all you need to know about scoring from the field[/QUOTE]
No, I'm asking what their PPG would be; you gave an example, but just threw out a bunch of numbers without putting them into context. What would those said players PPG be in your example?