[QUOTE=Fatal9]some one wanna give me cliffs on this debate...don't want to read 10 pages[/QUOTE]
Indian Guy trying to prove why Lebron is a better shooter than Kobe ever was.
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[QUOTE=Fatal9]some one wanna give me cliffs on this debate...don't want to read 10 pages[/QUOTE]
Indian Guy trying to prove why Lebron is a better shooter than Kobe ever was.
[QUOTE=catch24]Going off a hypothetical would defeat the purpose of the debate. We've been listing their shooting %'s from the field.[/quote]
Except your initial stance on Kobe >>>> LeBron had nothing to do with shooting percentages. You simply perceived LeBron to be a bad shooter and that's how you drew your incorrect conclusion. Once I clued you in to some facts, you latched on to the bogus FT% stat because you were grasping at straws and needed something, anything, to back-up you original stance. So let's stop pretending you're some big numbers guy.
[quote]Why entertain something we simply have no evidence for?[/quote]
We are looking at 3 good shooters with a similar FG% and playing styles. It's not a stretch at all to assume their efficiencies from the perimeter were very similar, otherwise, they wouldn't have the same FG%. And hey, this is where the HYPOTHETICAL comes in, and we know how much you love assumptions(MJ/Kobe thread), so let's just assume their efficiencies from 10-23 feet were equivalent, would you still deem Kobe the far better shooter based on FT%? Just stop being a BITCH and answer the question. You're completely exposing yourself by not doing so. It just shows you're well aware of how idiotic your Kobe>>>>>>LeBron argument looks by not answering it.
[quote]You'd be surprised how relevant it is if you're man enough to answer. [/QUOTE]
Why don't you man up and actually explain why something that has NOTHING to do with the topic is somehow relevant? It's your question, dumbass. Up to you to explain why I should answer it.
[QUOTE=Fatal9]some one wanna give me cliffs on this debate...don't want to read 10 pages[/QUOTE]
Catch24 thinks Kobe is a wayyyyyy better shooter than LeBron today. When I posted some stats indicating otherwise, he latched onto Kobe's better FT% and believes that's what "easily" makes him the much better shooter. So I gave an example of guys like '98 MJ and '03 T-Mac who had average FT percentages, then asked catch24 whether he considers Kobe "easily" better than those guys too. And being the chicken he is, he refuses to answer it in order to not expose himself on the whole Kobe/LeBron issue.
[QUOTE=Indian guy]Except your initial stance on Kobe >>>> LeBron had nothing to do with shooting percentages. [/quote]
And I had to use them to show your stupid ass why Kobe clearly is a better shooter. You and that other LeBron stan made this into a debate in the first place. Use your brain.
[quote]We are looking at 3 good shooters with a similar FG% and playing[/quote]
Shot selection definitely matters. The fact you continue wanting to turn a statistical debate into a hypothetical shows how much of a retard you are.
Come back to reality, "wee one".
[quote]It's your question, [/QUOTE]
So answer it. Stop being such a va-jj and answer the question. Does Kobe have more mileage than LeBron?
Do we have shot charts/data for '98 MJ and '03 Tmac? Nope, didn't think so. The entire debate has been predicated off of hoopdata's percentages.
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that make them irrelevant to the discussion?
[QUOTE=catch24]And I had to use them to show your stupid ass why Kobe clearly is a better shooter.[/quote]
Yeah, you definitely showed me by latching onto Kobe's FT% :rolleyes:
[quote]Shot selection definitely matters. The fact you continue wanting to turn a statistical debate into a hypothetical shows how much of a retard you are.[/quote]
Any hypothetical sports debate concerns stats. We all make assumptions, and the one in this case isn't even a big one. Yes, shot selection matters, and considering MJ/T-Mac/Kobe all had similar percentages and played a similar style, it's not a leap to assume their numbers were roughly the same from 10-23 feet. All you have to do now is answer whether you would still consider Kobe [i]easily[/i] better than them because of FT%. Stop being a *****. No shame in admitting you were wrong about Kobe/LeBron.
[quote]Does Kobe have more mileage than LeBron?[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
You're not getting anything until you explain the relevance of this question.
[QUOTE=Indian guy]Yeah, you definitely showed me by latching onto Kobe's FT% :rolleyes:[/quote]
Becuase all other aspects pretty much even out, even though Kobe has a broader volume. Never mind the fact defenses play them differently, where one is strictly a jump shooter while the other [I]isn't[/I].
[quote]Any hypothetical sports debate concerns stats. We all make assumptions, and the one in this case isn't even a big one. Yes, shot selection matters, and considering MJ/T-Mac/Kobe all had similar percentages and played a similar style, it's not a leap to assume their numbers were roughly the same from 10-23 feet. All you have to do now is answer whether you would still consider Kobe [i]easily[/i] better than them because of FT%. Stop being a *****. No shame in admitting you were wrong about Kobe/LeBron.[/quote]
:oldlol: at this idiot
I've already made an assumption (Gervin/Dantley were better midrange shooters than pre-90's Jordan) - again, though... What good is that opinion if I can't back it up? This isn't an [I]MJ/Kobe swap players on both teams[/I] thread where most answers are hypothetical. Saying Kobe is a better shooter than LeBron and having evidence to the back it up is an entirely different thing. Again, Kobe > LeBron as a shooter [I]clearly[/I]. Deal with it, clown.
[quote]You're not getting anything until you explain the relevance of this question.[/QUOTE]
Someone enjoys getting spoon fed. It's RELEVANT to the discussion because you believe LeBron can beat double teams off the dribble no better than Kobe at this stage. Nothing supports this. Clearly, like you have all season, base LeBron's regression off his athleticism, or lack there of.
You happy you little c*nt? Now answer the question.
[QUOTE=Indian guy]Catch24 thinks Kobe is a wayyyyyy better shooter than LeBron today. When I posted some stats indicating otherwise, he latched onto Kobe's better FT% and believes that's what "easily" makes him the much better shooter. So I gave an example of guys like '98 MJ and '03 T-Mac who had average FT percentages, then asked catch24 whether he considers Kobe "easily" better than those guys too. And being the chicken he is, he refuses to answer it in order to not expose himself on the whole Kobe/LeBron issue.[/QUOTE]
none of those stats matter because your boy was afraid to take jumpers in the finals. Kobe would never hesitate to shoot the ball.
[QUOTE=catch24]Becuase all other aspects pretty much even out[/quote]
Which is why it's downright idiotic to deem Kobe "easily" or "far" better based on just FT%.
[quote]even though Kobe has a broader volume.[/quote]
Yeah, by 4% from 10-23 feet. Completely insignificant.
[quote]Never mind the fact defenses play them differently[/quote]
Not this crap again. Nobody's guarding Kobe & LeBron any differently 1-on-1 today. Nobody.
[quote]I've already made an assumption (Gervin/Dantley were better midrange shooters than pre-90's Jordan)[/quote]
But you're not doing it based on FT%, so it's not relevant. When actually given the choice of doing so in the MJ/T-Mac vs. Kobe comparison, you chickened out.
[quote] It's RELEVANT to the discussion because you believe LeBron can beat double teams off the dribble no better than Kobe at this stage. Nothing supports this.[/quote]
WTF? But what does this have ANYTHING to do with their shooting ability? Or you deeming Kobe far better than LeBron simply based on FT%? This IS what we're discussing, so what does Kobe's mileage having anything to do with this?
And yes, every ****ing game LeBron's played over the past season supports LeBron's inability to break down double teams or even single coverage any better than Kobe's. He's still better a finisher, but not a better penetrater.
[quote]Now answer the question.[/QUOTE]
It's still not relevant to the discussion. I didn't say LeBron's athletic regression had something to do with his mileage, so Kobe's is still not relevant.
[QUOTE=Indian guy]Which is why it's downright idiotic to deem Kobe "easily" or "far" better based on just FT%.[/quote]
No, it's not. It evens out as far as percentages go. But anyone who watches the game and doesn't have a bias like your retarded ass, realizes they're defended differently and volume of jumpshots have to be used with context. For this season and their entire careers.
[quote]Yeah, by 4% from 10-23 feet. Completely insignificant.[/quote]
Nope, significant. a 1.5% difference is about 80+ shots a season. Find your brain, dumbass.
[quote]Not this crap again. Nobody's guarding Kobe & LeBron any differently 1-on-1 today. Nobody.[/quote]
Yes they are. Watch the games.
[quote]But you're not doing it based on FT%, so it's not relevant. When actually given the choice of doing so in the MJ/T-Mac vs. Kobe comparison, you chickened out.[/quote]
Of course it's relevant. We don't have their exact percentages from every aspect of the floor, so, I can't [I]just[/I] use FT%.
[quote]WTF? But what does this have ANYTHING to do with their shooting ability? Or you deeming Kobe far better than LeBron simply based on FT%? This IS what we're discussing, so what does Kobe's mileage having anything to do with this?[/quote]
More volume, defensive attention while FT% breaks the statistical tie. More often than not, a better FT shooter (midrange) is a better shooter, period. Find your brain.
[quote]And yes, every ****ing game LeBron's played over the past season supports LeBron's inability to break down double teams or even single coverage any better than Kobe's. He's still better a finisher, but not a better penetrater.[/quote]
Wrong again. Which is why I asked you to answer the question I presented. You base this off athleticism - so again, answer the question.
Stop being such a p*ssy.
[quote]It's still not relevant to the discussion. I didn't say LeBron's athletic regression had something to do with his mileage, so Kobe's is still not relevant.[/QUOTE]
Then what does it have to do with? How do you lose what you once had, idiot?
Lets not forget Indian-Idiot posted this a few weeks ago
[QUOTE=Indian guy]A quick first step prevents him from getting past guys from a STANDSTILL, not with a live dribble from the top of the key. LeBron can blow past anyone in that scenario.[/QUOTE]
But yeah, Kobe has this luxury? Riiiiiiight
F*cking clown this guy is.
I admire IG's efforts to try to level ALL the variables.
"Kobe takes more shots so volume should be considered" - IT'S ABOUT THE % OF THEIR TOTAL SHOTS NOT HOW MANY THEY TAKE! .... irrelevant
"Kobe is defended more tightly than Lebron" - NO LEBRON IS WORSE AT BREAKING DOWN DEFENSES SO HE GETS DEFENDED THE SAME! - which is just fukin lol-worthy and doesn't deserve a rebuttal
IG is a Bulls fan.
[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]IG is a Bulls fan.[/QUOTE]
He's about as much of a Bulls fan as DMavs is a Mavericks fan/Gyno is a Spurs fan.
[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]IG is a Bulls fan.[/QUOTE]
Almost as believable as the non-difference in airspace Kobe and LeBron get with their jumpshots :oldlol: