List of players over 7 foot, 230 pounds in Wilt's time

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow][IMG]http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/legends/wilt-chamberlain/wilt-chamberlain-warriors.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

:facepalm

Wilt does a layup over a Dwight Howard sized center while being body checked on a double-team by #12 - a guard/forward swingman (IE - a SG) that's actually a taller SG than Dwayne Wade.... So uhhh.... Were you surprised that a center with more length than Yao Ming and as much agility as a small forward had this ability to bull his way in and leap above them for an easy layup? :confusedshrug: Are you braindead kid?



Here... I can play this same trolling game, this time with someone you recognize:
[IMG]http://lakersblog.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c506253ef013486a12220970c-320wi[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.eba-stats.com/images/legends/chamberlain_jabbar.JPG[/IMG]
[IMG]http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqwgl5r2af1qz7ni3o1_400.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.ebayimg.com/t/WILT-CHAMBERLAIN-KAREEM-ABDUL-JABBAR-8-X-10-PHOTO-/12/!BqheFkgBWk~$(KGrHqQH-C4EuZWTkim+BLv1FJCNgg~~_35.JPG[/IMG]
Wilt made anyone look meak and small, no matter how big they actually were or how talented... doesn't matter who they are or what position they played or what type of talent they were. Being a GOAT candidate means your pretty damn superior to everyone from any given time. Surprised? Get over it.


Here's another round of your little game:
[IMG]http://www.iwanttobeanowner.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/kareem-abdul-jabbar-dan-issel2.jpg[/IMG]
Kareem again... except wait, has he now taken on the role of Wilt?, He looked so small just a few images ago!? Now he's lookin like the mighty unstoppable beast who prob also doesn't deserve accolade for his shit right? - I mean look at how meak the dude is he's skying over. Same type of image to form a the same stupid conclusion.
[IMG]http://brickhousetalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/yao-dunk-214x300.jpg[/IMG]
And here the mighty Yao toys with some midget that offers proof of how weak and small Yao's era was, right? Yao's got roughly Identical standing reach as Wilt, identical weight - yet, even [I]less[/I] wingspan, and far less strength and athleticism. Yet, what's the difference between cherry picking images of him vs images of Chamberlain? You gonna make a thread about that big bully Yao too now? :cry:

I have said it many times, but Kareem is one of the "bridges" that spanned the end of Wilt's NBA career, to the middle of Hakeem's. In fact, his career nearly spanned FOUR decades (1969-thru 1989.)

Once again, Kareem's two greatest statistical seasons came in his second and third seasons. In his 70-71 season, at age 23 (actually 24), he averaged 31.7 ppg, 16.0 rpg, on .577 shooting (and BTW, his .128 differential over the league average was the highest of his career), and along the way he not only won the MVP, but the FMVP. In his 71-72 season, at age 24 (25), he averaged 34.8 ppg, 16.6 rpg, and shot .574.

By contrast, Chamberlain had arguably the WORST season of his career in 70-71. He "only" averaged 20.7 ppg, 18.2 rpg (which was his career LOW), and on .545 shooting (which was a mediocre season for Wilt.) Then, in the post-season, he "only" averaged 18.3 ppg, 20.2 rpg (a career LOW in the post-season), on a very un-Wilt-like .455 shooting.) Of course, he was 34 years old, and only a year removed from major knee surgery.

So what you ask? This was a Kareem at his absolute finest, and a Chamberlain at arguably his WORST. BUT, the two went H2H in 10 games that season (five in the regular season, and five more in the playoffs.) In their regular season H2H's, Kareem outscored Wilt, per game, 27.8 ppg to 23.2 ppg; while Chamberlain outrebounded Kareem, per game, 15.0 rpg to 13.2 rpg; and Wilt outshot Kareem in those five games, .483 to .438 (yes, he held Kareem to .438 shooting.)

In the 70-71 playoffs, Kareem outscored Wilt, per game, 25.0 ppg to 22.0 ppg; while Chamberlain outrebounded Kareem, per game, 18.8 rpg to 17.2 rpg; and Wilt outshot Kareem in that series, .489 to .481.

Overall, in those ten games, Kareem held a 26.4 ppg to 22.5 ppg edge; while Chamberlain outrebounded Kareem, per game, 16.9 rpg to 15.2 rpg; and Wilt outshot Kareem in those ten games by a .486 to .457 (yes, .457 in ten straight games.) BTW, in their last meeting in the playoffs, in the series clincher, Chamberlain outscored Kareem, 23-20; and outshot Kareem, 10-21 to 7-23. AND, late in that game, when Wilt left the game, he received a standing ovation...and the game was played in MILWAUKEE.

There you have it...in those ten H2H games, a way-past-his-prime Chamberlain, at age 34, in arguably his WORST season, battled a statistically prime Kareem, in perhaps his finest season (if you include both the regular season and the post-season) to a statistical DRAW.

Now, much has been made about Kareem's scoring margins in both the regular season, and the post-season, the very next season. Kareem averaged 40.2 ppg on an even .500 shooting in the 71-72 regular season against Wilt. However, the bulk of those numbers came in two games, in which Kareem scored 90 points, on .528 shooting, in games in which Wilt's Lakers won by margins of 13 and 16 points (and they were never challenged in that second game.) Oh, and Wilt outrebounded Kareem in those two games by a 50-26 margin.

However, in the playoffs, while Kareem once again enjoyed a solid scoring edge of 202-67 in their six H2H games (33.7 ppg to 11.2 ppg), Chamberlain outrebounded Kareem by a 18.8 rpg to 17.2 rpg margin. Kareem also slightly outshot Wilt, (.457 to .452), BUT, Wilt missed a total of 20 shots, while Kareem missed 107. Furthermore, in the last four pivotal games of that series, Wilt held Kareem to an eye-popping .414 shooting FG%. AND, in the clinching game six win, Chamberlain took over the game in the 4th quarter, in leading LA back from a 10 point deficit to a 104-100 win. Overall, Kareem outscored Wilt in that game, 37-20, but Wilt outshot Kareem 8-12 to 16-37 (including 2-8 in the final quarter.) Chamberlain also swatted a ton of skyhooks in that series, with a known 15 blocks against Kareem in just three games, and probably over 20 in the entire series.

Those that actually watched the '71-72 WCF's almost unanimously proclaimed that Wilt outplayed Kareem in that series, including the Milwaukee coach and the Milwaukee press. Time Magazine hailed Wilt's performance as "decisively outplaying Kareem."

Then, the two went H2H in six more regular season games in Wilt's last season (72-73.) Kareem outscored Wilt, per game, 29.0 to 11.0 ppg, BUT, Chamberlain outshot Kareem by a staggering .737 to .450 margin. Included in those six games, was one game in which Wilt outscored Kareem, 24-21, while outshooting him, 10-14 to 10-27.

Of course, the two met one time, in Kareem's rookie season, and before Wilt shredded his knee that year. In that one game, Chamberlain outscored Kareem, 25-23; he outrebounded Kareem, 25-20; he outassisted Kareem, 5-2; he outblocked Kareem, 3-2; and he outshot Kareem, 9-14 to 9-21.

What was really fascinating, though, was that the two went H2H in 28 games, and Wilt held Kareem to .464 shooting (while shooting .530 himself.) Kareem shot 50%, or better, in ten of those games, and 60% in exactly one. He also shot less than .399 in SEVEN of those games. In their two "clinchers" in their H2H playoff series, Wilt held Kareem to .383 shooting (while shooting .545 himself.) So, Kareem basically shot over 50% in about one-third of their encounters, and shot under .399 in more than he did over 50%.


Now, move to the 84-85 and 85-86 seasons. A 37-38 old Kareem (actually, a 38-39 Kareem), who could barely get high enough to get 6 rpg, played a 22 and 23 year old Hakeem in ten straight games. How about this... 31.8 ppg on an eye-popping .630 FG% (once again...their first ten H2H games.) Included in those games, were games of 40 (on 16-29 shooting), 42 (on 16-24 shooting), and 46 (on 21-30 shooting....and in only 37 minutes.) Furthermore, Hakeem was guarding Kareem in all ten of those games.

Granted, in the 85-86 playoffs, Hakeem outscored Kareem, per game, 31-27 ppg, and outrebounded him, 11-7 rpg, while outshooting Kareem, .520 to .496. BUT, it was Sampson who guarded Kareem (with Hakeem doubling quite often.)

Sampson was injured after, and once again, it was Hakeem against Kareem in their last 13 games, when Kareem was 39-41 years old (actually 42.)

Overall, the two went H2H in 23 games (not including the 85-86 playoffs.) Kareem, from ages 37 to 41 (actually 42) battled a Hakeem, from ages 22-26. Kareem led his Lakers to an 18-5 record in those 23 games.

And how about their scoring and FG%'s numbers overall? Hakeem averaged 22.3 ppg against Kareem in those 23 games, and on .512 shooting. Kareem averaged 22.6 ppg on, get this... .610 shooting in those 23 games.

Even factoring in the 85-86 playoffs, their overall record and numbers were as follows in all 28 games:

Kareem held a 19-9 W-L record.
Kareem averaged 23.4 ppg on .582 shooting
Hakeem averaged 23.9 ppg on .514


Now, how about these numbers...

In their 23 H2H games, in which Hakeem guarded Kareem:

Kareem shot 50% or better in 20 of them (and in the other three he shot a total 12-29 or .414.)

Kareem shot less than .399 in one of those 23 games (3-9)

Kareem shot over 60% in TWELVE of 23 games.

And Kareem shot over 70% in FIVE of them.


If you include the five playoff games, when Sampson was the one assigned to Kareem defensively:

Kareem shot over 50% in 23 of the 28 games.

Kareem shot over 60% in twelve total games, and over 70% in five of them.


Once again, keep in mind that Kareem was playing at ages 37-41 while Hakeem was aged 22-26.

BTW, Kareem had that 46 point game, on 21-30 shooting, in only 37 minutes against Hakeem, and within a few days of that game, he buried Patrick Ewing by a 40-9 margin (outshooting Patrick, 15-22 to 3-17.)


So, a way-past-his prime Kareem was able to dominate a younger Hakeem, and battle him to a draw in the last couple of seasons, as well as crushing a young Ewing.

Yet, a PRIME Kareem stuggled against a way-past-his-prime Wilt in 27 of their 28 H2H's (and Wilt easily outplayed Kareem in their one encounter before his knee injury.)

On top of that, Kareem faced 6-11 Nate Thurmond in some 50 H2H games, and seldom even scored 30 points on him (with a high game of only 34 points in those 50+ games.) And overall, there is a good chance that Kareem didn't even shoot .450 against Nate in those 50+ games. In three straight playoff series, a PRIME Kareem shot .486, .428, and even .405 against Thurmond (and Thurmond even outscored and outshot him in one of those playoff series, 25.0 and .437 to Kareem's 22.8 ppg on .405 shooting.)

Then, factor in that a PRIME "scoring" Chamberlain faced Nate in about a dozen games, and in a string of 11 straight games, Wilt averaged 30 ppg against him, and with games of 30, 33, 34, 34, 38, and 45 points (outscoring Thurmond, 45-13.)

A PRIME "scoring" Wilt also had an entire season, covering nine H2H games, in which he averaged 40.1 ppg against HOFer Willis Reed, including games of 52 and 58. A PRIME "scoring" Wilt had an entire season, covering 10 H2H games, against 6-11 HOFer Walt Bellamy, in which he averaged a mind-numbing 52.7 ppg , and with three games of 60+ (including a high game of 73.) Then, in the following season, Wilt averaged 43.7 ppg against Bellamy. And a PRIME "scoring" Wilt had several 30+ ppg seasons against Russell, including two of 39.7 ppg and 38.1 ppg. Overall, Chamberlain had FIVE games of 50+ against Russell, with a high game of 62 points (on 27-45 shooting.)

And while an OLD Wilt held his own against a PRIME Kareem,we were never fortunate enough to have witnessed a PRIME Chamberlain against Kareem. A Wilt who was bigger, stronger, more athletic, and as skilled.


Using Kareem as a "bridge" and we can clearly see that the great centers of the 60's would have more than held their own against the great centers of the 80's and 90's (Ewing and Hakeem.) And given the fact that Hakeem battled Shaq to a draw in the '95 Finals, it is also pretty clear that the greats of the 60's would have been great in the 00's, as well.

[QUOTE]First of all, Brian, we know it's you.
I know you're butthurt and all but this is just pathetic..

And 2nd, [B]you can get a hint of a players skillset and abilities through stats and I didn't write that I was some kind of expert but it's easy to tell if someone's mediocre or garbage and that was the only thing I did. [/B]

Do you need a 5 page analyze of players who played 60 games in their NBA career? A scrub is a scrub. Or players who never made any all-NBA team or weren't even close and who had short statistical peaks where they didn't excel in anything? A player like that is mediocre no matter what. Go find something controversial with my previous post, Brian..[/QUOTE]

Point out the scrubs: Do you even know who any of these guys are? :lol
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPcmQMdiPw4[/url]

[QUOTE=-23-]You're the bigger moron to believe it.

Eye witness accounts? SO you think 9/11 missiles hit the WTC because of "eye witness accounts" or bombs going off because of "eye witness accounts".

Take off the tin foil hat, it's cutting off your circulation.

Moron.[/QUOTE]

Let's see those calculations bruh!


Tex Winters >>>>>>> -23-

[QUOTE=-23-]If it's capable of being done, why hasn't anyone since done it? He did not hold NCAA records for high jump or triple jump? "He ran a 100-yard dash in 10.9 seconds and bettered his high school record by throwing a shotput 56-feet. He also won the high jump in the Big Eight Track and Field Championships for three years in a row and triple jumped more than 50-feet." [B]Neither of those are NCAA champ level, nor olympic level for that matter.[/B]

Don't get me wrong, he's a phenomenal athlete. I can't stand retards who claim he can FT dunk from 3 steps. [B]You'd think one person at the time would be like "hey, this guy did something I've never seen before, I should take a picture".[/B] I take all these Wilt claims with a grain of salt.[/QUOTE]

:roll:

[CODE][B]1953[/B]
Philadelphia City-League Invitational
5'10" - 1st
([I]City League Champion[/I])

[B]1955[/B]
Philadelphia City-League Invitational
6'2" - 1st
([I]City-League Champion[/I])

[B]1956[/B]
(ineligible to place, freshman) KU Relays
46' 2.5" - Triple-Jump

[B]1957[/B]
KU Relays
45' 9" - 3rd, Triple Jump
6'6" - 2nd (tie)

[B]1957[/B]
Drake Relays Invitational
6'6.25" - 1st (tie)

[B]1957[/B]
Big-Seven Championship Track Meet
[U]([I]NCAA D1 Conference Champion[/I])[/U]
6'5" - 1st

[B]1958[/B]
Big-Eight Championship Track Meet (indoor)
[U]([I]NCAA D1 Conference Champion[/I])[/U]
6'6.75" - 1st ([U][I]KU Indoor Record[/I][/U])[/CODE]

Olympic gold in 1956 was a 6'11.5" jump. Wilt was 4.75" away from this. He used the [I]Western Roll[/I] technique but literally, he sucked ass at it, he couldn't keep his trail leg in check. Based on his athleticism Wilt was predicted by his coach to exceed 7 foot jumps if he mastered that technique. But he did not commit to Track, basketball came first and foremost at that point. Wilt did not even practice/participate in any Track-related activities for 1958 until the Track coach asked him if he could help out with the conference meet. He wins it with a PR and sets the KU record :facepalm. [U]Wilt's PR of 6'6.75" is good enough to have placed 5th place in the 1956 Olympics[/U]. 28 countries sent High Jumpers to compete that year.

Don't pretend he's not elite in Track and Field. No NBA player today is capable of hanging with that class of High Jumpers. Wilt was a ****ing thoroughbred on the Track, he just happened to play that sport called basketball too.


And.... :wtf:
How do you "take a picture" of a free throw dunk (as if a picture is good enough evidence for you to believe he leapt from A to B anyways) :facepalm

And you take things with grain of Salt? More like a mine of Salt.

It's Tex Winters, basketball legend and 1956 Chairman of The NCAA Men's Basketball Rules Committee.... You suggest that he [I]lied[/I] to his entire committee of coaches that needed to take their time to collaborate and vote for official NCAA rule changes involving free-throw dunks? WHY? To **** with everybody!? Here we've got as important a basketball guy as anyone who says who/what/when/where and why and you say he's a retard and so is anyone who believes him :facepalm. Okay kid. Why did he lie to everyone then. Is he secretly some big prankster who's motive was to scare the ****ing shit out of the NCAA so that they would make useless rule changes too the official rule book?
This has the foundation of "conspiracy theory" written all over it. You don't think Wilt was capable of doing things that pretty much anyone that ever met him had no trouble believing at all. So, because you don't know anyone or know OF anyone like Wilt Chamberlain, you won't buy into the idea that he's one-of-a-kind and you assume he might as well be as real as Santa Clause.

Another Wilt jocker among us...

60's were a weak era, it's why George Mikan dominated in the 50s (5 championships, more than Mr. 1-11 Wilt)

Watching games from the 60's is pretty funny
:facepalm @ thinking that era is even close to the same

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Another Wilt jocker among us...

60's were a weak era, it's why George Mikan dominated in the 50s (5 championships, more than Mr. 1-11 Wilt)

Watching games from the 60's is pretty funny
:facepalm @ thinking that era is even close to the same[/QUOTE]

Again... Do you even know who any of these guys are? :roll:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPcmQMdiPw4[/url]

:hammerhead:

I suppose you think they don't look any good :roll:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPcmQMdiPw4#t=2m25s[/url]

But...but West could not dribble with his left hand! The video is definitely fake...You only showed some fake NBA 2k12 footage!!1

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Again... Do you even know who any of these guys are? :roll:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPcmQMdiPw4[/url]

:hammerhead:

I suppose you think they don't look any good :roll:[/QUOTE]

bunch of athletic black guys dominating short white boys and everyone once in a while throw in a terrible balding tall guy.

whats your point?

besides if you played clips of todays games next to your clip it would like like the NBA vs Division 3 College.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]
[IMG]http://www.eba-stats.com/images/legends/chamberlain_jabbar.JPG[/IMG]
[IMG]http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqwgl5r2af1qz7ni3o1_400.jpg[/IMG]
[/QUOTE]
At first I didn't think much of these pictures but then your mind starts playing back to how Kareem used to sometimes shoot the skyhook downward in the 80's. We can tell by his stats that he was much more lively in leaving his feet in early 70's. That's when you realize how high Wilt was getting in these pics. And you can see Kareem is at full extension and with hops here.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Again... Do you even know who any of these guys are? :roll:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPcmQMdiPw4[/url]

:hammerhead:

I suppose you think they don't look any good :roll:[/QUOTE]

How cute of you to upload a video dedicated to me and how cute of you to put on some dramatic music while only showing highlights and why the shift in speed between slow and fast and then normal...:facepalm

And it's pretty sad because it's obvious that you've been around ISH before so why the need of multiple accounts, no one beside a butthurt poster write the way you do.. :facepalm

And 03:08 is a great example of a player having a sucky lefty..

[QUOTE=Psileas][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPcmQMdiPw4#t=2m25s[/url]

But...but West could not dribble with his left hand! The video is definitely fake...You only showed some fake NBA 2k12 footage!!1[/QUOTE]

How'd you like West's [I]chase-down blocks[/I]? :pimp:

Who here LOVES algebra?... well I don't either but I've got an interesting mystery I can take shed light on using simple algebra.

[B]Jerry West's Wingspan[/B]

Jerry West has a 37.5" sleeve length.
Wilt Chamberlain has a 37.5" sleeve length.

Their actual tape measurement was likely this:
[I]37.5" - 1" =[/I] [U]36.5"[/U]
(American sleeve-length = middle of the neck/spine to the break of the wrist +1")

Their arm-spans (minus their hands) would be this:
[I]36.5 x 2 = [/I][U]73"[/U]

Great, but we need hand size to add to this....

Wilt's hands in 1956 are measured to be 9.5" in length from the break of the wrist:
[url]http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/BE051863/young-wilt-chamberlain-displays-hands[/url]

[I]73" + 9.5"(x2)[/I] = 92" or exactly [U]7'8" [/U] Wingspan Calculated for Wilt Chamberlain
Double Checking my Math:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYEbga0XueA&t=6m7s[/url]




So then we must ask ourselves... how long are Jerry's hands? :confusedshrug: I don't know, never found any numbers but I've heard his hands described as cartoon hands (big) on numerous occasions though that could mean wide not necessarily long. So, very conservatively I'll guess between a very modest 7.5"-8.0" long.

Using the same formula as Chamberlain, and based on peoples descriptions of West also being gifted with large hands, that means at the very lowest estimates he likely had at least a 7'4-7'5" wingspan...

Anyone wanna critique those results or double-check that method? I think most of those superstars were good for a reason, West wasn't just some 6'2 guy, he was a physical specimen - his wingspan at his size actually put's guys like Rondo to shame.

[QUOTE=jlauber]I have said it many times, but Kareem is one of the "bridges" that spanned the end of Wilt's NBA career, to the middle of Hakeem's. In fact, his career nearly spanned FOUR decades (1969-thru 1989.)

Once again, Kareem's two greatest statistical seasons came in his second and third seasons. In his 70-71 season, at age 23 (actually 24), he averaged 31.7 ppg, 16.0 rpg, on .577 shooting (and BTW, his .128 differential over the league average was the highest of his career), and along the way he not only won the MVP, but the FMVP. In his 71-72 season, at age 24 (25), he averaged 34.8 ppg, 16.6 rpg, and shot .574.

By contrast, Chamberlain had arguably the WORST season of his career in 70-71. He "only" averaged 20.7 ppg, 18.2 rpg (which was his career LOW), and on .545 shooting (which was a mediocre season for Wilt.) Then, in the post-season, he "only" averaged 18.3 ppg, 20.2 rpg (a career LOW in the post-season), on a very un-Wilt-like .455 shooting.) Of course, he was 34 years old, and only a year removed from major knee surgery.

So what you ask? This was a Kareem at his [B]absolute finest,[/B] and a Chamberlain at arguably his WORST.[/QUOTE]

A tall, skinny Kareem wasn't at his absolutely finest at all.

[QUOTE=LBJMVP]bunch of athletic black guys dominating short white boys and everyone once in a while throw in a terrible balding tall guy.

whats your point?

besides if you played clips of todays games next to your clip it would like like the NBA vs Division 3 College.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2akdYIFJ2A[/url]
Joel, oft-cited as an analogue to 60's players is chucking airballs on a layup w/o anyone in his face or making contact. :facepalm Think he could play in the 1960's with all those bodies in the paint and all that contact that was still very much allowed?

:roll:

That's the point of the footage. Anyone with an unbias opinion and a set of eyes can see that at least half of those 60's guys would be ballin in today's league with a pair of Nike's and a pre-season to adjust to the rule tweaks. They can shoot. They can dribble. They can drive. That era was as athletically diverse as the range of players today's league. This goes the same in the other direction.

At least half of today's league could ball in that league as well (today's a massive league, 30 teams) but at least half, also would NOT have enough talent to ball in that league. Not IMHO. I'm sorry, but guys like Joel Anthony, Ryan Hollins?... pffft :lol ... they just couldn't, especially when you consider the equipment and rule tweaks etc. Sorry Big Joel, no orthopedics and big platform shoes for your diminutive 6'6 height at center, and nothing to save your fragile frankenstein legs. He'd be smoked on every fast break and stuffed on his awful shot attempts. Even the worst centers in that league could hit a hook. In our league the 30th pick is still round 1. In a 9 team league the 30th pick is literally the end of the line and he's prob going to sit on the bench and get cut until next years 1st and 2nd round picks anyways. :roll:

[QUOTE=PTB Fan]A tall, skinny Kareem wasn't at his absolutely finest at all.[/QUOTE]

:facepalm Starts as ROY, then settles into his modest early years as a 2 time scoring champ 3-time MVP (in 5 years), 2-time champion, finals MVP, the dominant scorer of his team every year, leagues leading shot-blocker, and MVP of one of the top 5 teams in NBA history.... + First team and all defensive team picks during those years....

What you been smokin bro? That skinny Kareem was > athletic and dominant than Laker Kareem