The Wilt Chamberlain Offensive Scouting Report Project Thread:

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]I've definitely got his 8 foot jumper from the right block, prior to footage of his championship sixer seasons (and all footage after) he seems to have taken that shot quite a bit as I have several examples of it, however all of them are fading away none are a straight up variant. The finger roll will be put into its appropriate foot work and block side categories, I will try to cluster all similar executed shots down to the fakes and footwork[/QUOTE]

yeah. Around 19 & 20 minutes or so has the move I was talking about. That was an unstoppable shot.
Dude really was the whole package and I'm glad you have made this movie because younger people just have never believed us when we say Chamberlain was the greatest to ever play.
They can still say "he wasn't all that" or he's a javale mcgee if they want, but they're denying the evidence in their face if they do.

Still to this day I believe Wilt Chamberlain was a giant. If you ever saw him on the beach - mingling with normal size people...... he picked up a guy on the beach one time in the '70s, a big guy too that was being rude to some girls, and just flung him across the sand into the ocean. Probably the single most powerful motion I ever saw.

[QUOTE=Psileas]Here's something that I think will shut lots of haters up once and for all, but will take also extra time and effort: Comparing similar situations in "old" and "newer" NBA videos by putting them close to each other and having them run at normal speed. [B]I remember having watched an old Youtube video that compared Carl Lewis to Bob Hayes in a 4x100 race and it was shown that Hayes might actually have been faster - unfortunately, I can't find this video.[/B] I also remember myself arguing with an anti-60's "competitive" troll about certain players' athleticism and when I showed him that NCAA short video of Wilt blasting at full throttle for a fast break, he told me that he timed Wilt and found him as fast as Greg Oden in his rookie tryouts (I usually don't remember such details, but this was too good to miss :oldlol: ). I also showed him a video of West doing something similar and he also refused to admit he was fast. Such crap would not fly anymore if we had this kind of comparative videos that would show, e.g, West running along with Chris Paul, Russell running along with David Robinson, Wilt jumping along with Shaq, etc and holding their own.[/QUOTE]

There have been numerous articles claiming that Hayes might have been the fastest ever (most all of them before Usain Bolt...who might be holding records for years himself)...

[url]http://espn.go.com/page2/s/wiley/020920.html[/url]

[QUOTE]I've know other fast football players. We all have. Clifford Branch. Deion. Bo. Rocket. All of them around 4.2; if they catch a flyer at the start, even faster. Rock once ran a 4.18 40. So did Deion. So did Bo. It's barely human to run that fast -- that's right on the edge of human consciousness. That's a blur. That's the Right Stuff.


Bob Hayes
Hayes was once clocked at 5.28 in the 60-yard dash.
We don't have any record of 40 times for Bob Hayes. But it's said he once ran a 60-yard dash, on a cinder track, in 5.28 seconds. You heard. Sure, it was hand-timed. Sure, there's no record. But this much is certain. Bob Hayes won the 1964 Olympic gold medal in the 100 meters in Tokyo in 1964 in 10.05; and he won by four full meters. Nobody wins an Olympic 100-meter final by that margin unless they are Jesse Owens in Berlin, 1936. Bullet Bob wasn't even pressed. He downshifted in the last 10 meters of that race. Pulled up. Eased off. Saved a little. If pressed, he could've gone faster. Bullet Bob was as fast as he had to be.

[B]The Bullet Man was behind five relay teams when he got the baton on the anchor leg of the 4 x 100-meter relay final in Tokyo. He made up nine meters on the field. Nine meters! He ran his leg in 8.6. That's not running. That's teleportation. That's Star Trek[/B].

When he passed the finish line, he was two meters clear of the next finisher. He tossed the relay baton in the air. That was symbolic. He'd done what he had to do. Now he'd run with something else.

Yet, he was no converted trackman. Jimmy Hines, who won the 1968 Olympic gold medal at Mexico City, tried to be a wideout -- for about 10 minutes. Skeets Nehemiah actually got a Super Bowl ring with the Niners. Due to the Moscow boycott in '80, he never won Olympic gold. Bullet Bob? Ran track like a football player. That's because he was a football player. Amazingly, he was a football player first. You could tell when he ran. He wasn't extended, muscles taut but elongated loose -- he didn't have the beautiful form of a Carl Lewis, 20 years later.[B] But over 100 meters he was just as fast as Carl Lewis. No doubt.[/B] But Hayes roiled when he ran, like an angry sea -- pigeon-toed, with massive thighs and a well-built upper body, he pulled himself through still air. Wind gauges didn't bother him at all. He was ahead of his time physically, too.
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[url]http://www.drmichaeljoyner.com/usain-bolt-vs-bob-hayes/[/url]

[QUOTE]Modern tracks are probably 2-3% faster than the dirt and cinder tracks Hayes ran on. It is also tempting to think about what might have happened if Hayes had focused on track full time instead of playing football. He never ran a race after his early 20s[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]I’m a former track and field athlete, in the 70s. I still regard Hayes as the greatest sprinter of all time. What he did in Tokyo on a (badly cut-up) cinder track in poor weather conditions was absolutely staggering. Besides, he appeared and disappeared in his early twenties and never had the chance to hone out his sprinting technique. In terms of pure raw speed I don’t think anyone can compare. In those days, too, top athletes only had 4 or 5 competitions a year. In this day and age, on the international circuit, they have up to some 20 available. And it is in competition, and top competition at that, week in, week out, that you improve your marks. I can only imagine, or dream, Hayes transported to the modern era with the new training methods, physical recovery, food supplements, equipment, number of competitions and, most of all, the supersonic synthetic tracks on which athletes run nowadays. When Hayes retired he was still very much an uncut diamond, a work still very much in progress. We never saw his best which is more than can be said of the likes of Bolton[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Exactly Miguel,[B]Bob Hayes was undefeated in 49 consecutive sprints 60yds.100yds.100meters,he ran as fast as needbe to win.NO sprinter today,has even come close to 49 wins in a row.[/B][B]When someone does they could be considered equal with the great Bob Hayes.Hayes Tokyo Olympic 4by100 meter relay performance is considered by most experts as the fastest 100 meters of all time,clocked at 8.5-8.6 seconds,for his anchor leg on a dirt track,with inferior shoes.Some believe he may have run close to 30mph.on that relay leg,comeing back from 4meters at the start&winning by 3meters at the finish,against the fastest men in the world at that time.I rest my case,fastest to ever live.SA[/B].[/QUOTE]


[url]http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/2008/06/_when_jamaicas_usain_bolt.html[/url]

[QUOTE]When Jamaica's Usain Bolt made a prophecy of his name and set the world record of 9.72 seconds in the 100-meter dash recently, it seemed to dwarf the sprinters of the past.

But is the fastest also the greatest of all time?

Today's sprinters benefit from wind-resistant uniforms that let them carve a hole in the air. They gulp legal nutritional supplements, run on rubberized tracks with great shock absorption and energy return, wear shoes as light as the tape their chests break, study videotape of their starts as avidly as NFL quarterbacks peruse defenses, and lift a foundry of iron to sustain their speed better.

The "silent" starting gun sends an electronic impulse, registering as a bang, to loudspeakers behind each lane. Back in the day, sprinters in the outside lane lost up to .03 seconds as the sound of a real pistol crack traveled to them


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Here is one from 2008...

[url]http://speedendurance.com/2008/10/10/asafa-powell-or-bob-hayes-worlds-fastest-100-meters/[/url]

[QUOTE]POP QUIZ: Who has the World Record for the 4x100m fastest 100 meter relay split ?

This is not an official event, as timing consistency varies, but we all love stats, right?

Ever since I started watching the Olympics in 1972, historians always referred to “Bullet” Bob Hayes 8.5 second 4

[QUOTE=Psileas]Here's something that I think will shut lots of haters up once and for all, but will take also extra time and effort: Comparing similar situations in "old" and "newer" NBA videos by putting them close to each other and having them run at normal speed. I remember having watched an old Youtube video that compared Carl Lewis to Bob Hayes in a 4x100 race and it was shown that Hayes might actually have been faster - unfortunately, I can't find this video. I also remember myself arguing with an anti-60's "competitive" troll about certain players' athleticism and when I showed him that NCAA short video of Wilt blasting at full throttle for a fast break, he told me that he timed Wilt and found him as fast as Greg Oden in his rookie tryouts (I usually don't remember such details, but this was too good to miss :oldlol: ). I also showed him a video of West doing something similar and he also refused to admit he was fast. Such crap would not fly anymore if we had this kind of comparative videos that would show, e.g, West running along with Chris Paul, Russell running along with David Robinson, Wilt jumping along with Shaq, etc and holding their own.[/QUOTE]

I have posted this before, but there are those that believe that Nolan Ryan was/is the hardest thrower of all-time.

[url]http://www.efastball.com/baseball/stats/fastest-pitch-speed-in-major-leagues/[/url]

Although if you google the name Steve Dalkowski, who was pitching in the minors in the late 50's, you will get estimates as high as 110 MPH.


Most powerful homerun hitter of all-time? Not even close. A 5-11 190 lb. Mickey Mantle...

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Mantle[/url]

[QUOTE]Mantle hit some of the longest home runs in Major League history. On September 10, 1960, he hit a ball left-handed that cleared the right-field roof at Tiger Stadium in Detroit and, based on where it was found, was estimated years later by historian Mark Gallagher to have traveled 643 feet (196 m). Another Mantle homer, hit right-handed off Chuck Stobbs at Griffith Stadium in Washington, D.C. on April 17, 1953, was measured by Yankees traveling secretary Red Patterson (hence the term "tape-measure home run") to have traveled 565 feet (172 m). Deducting for bounces,[4] there is no doubt that both landed well over 500 feet (152 m) from home plate. Mantle twice hit balls off the third-deck facade at Yankee Stadium, nearly becoming the only player to hit a fair ball out of the stadium during a game. On May 22, 1963, against Kansas City's Bill Fischer, Mantle hit a ball that fellow players and fans claimed was still rising when it hit the 110-foot (34 m) high facade, then caromed back onto the playing field. It was later estimated by some that the ball could have traveled 504 feet (154 m) [27] had it not been blocked by the ornate and distinctive facade. On August 12, 1964, he hit one whose distance was undoubted: a center field drive that cleared the 22-foot (6.7 m) batter's eye screen, some 75' beyond the 461-foot (141 m) marker at the Stadium.

Although he was a feared power hitter from either side of the plate and hit more home runs batting left-handed than right, Mantle considered himself a better right-handed hitter.[28] In roughly 25% of his total at-bats he hit .330 right-handed to .281 left.[29] His 372 to 164 home run disparity was due to Mantle having batted left-handed much more often, as the large majority of pitchers are right-handed. In spite of short foul pole dimension of 296 feet (90 m) to left and 302 feet (92 m) to right in original Yankee Stadium, Mantle gained no advantage there as his stroke both left and right-handed drove balls there to power alleys of 344' to 407' and 402' to 457' feet (139 m) from the plate. Overall, he hit slightly more home runs away (270) than home (266).[
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And more on Mantle...

[url]http://www.themick.com/10homers.html[/url]


Incidently, I find it fascinating that the record for the Long Jump is 29' 4", and was set in 1992. And 24 years before that, the previous record was set at 29' 2". How come, with all the advancements in modern technology and medicine, that this record has stood for so long?

Not 3 years back people used to assert Wilt was a 'less skilled/athletic dikembe mutumbo' on here :oldlol:

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Not 3 years back people used to assert Wilt was a 'less skilled/athletic dikembe mutumbo' on here :oldlol:[/QUOTE]


They have been almost completely silenced and eradicated in the last couple of years. Only the idiots remain, and even they can no longer present any valid "anti-Wilt" arguments.

They used to scoff at the claims of Wilt's legendary leaping ability. They refused to accept the fact that he won high-jump championships (and doing so in a part-time fashion I might add.) And they would rip the claims that Wilt could dunk from the FT line, even though the internet was plastered with such accounts. Then, suddenly a video interview with none other Tex Winter surfaced, and in which he himself witnessed Chamberlain accomplishing that feat. In fact, he was so stunned by what he saw, he headed an NCAA committee that would go on to ban such "freakish activity."

And then a video in which the well-respected Sonny Hill also surfaced, and in which he claimed to have witnessed Chamberlain touching the top of the backboard. I added an eye-witness account from longtime Sixer trainer, Al Domenico, who echoed Sonny Hill.

We also have some documentation of Wilt's college coach rolling out a 12 foot basket, and an article from the Kansas college newspaper claiming that Wilt was dunking on it.

Of course, your videos of a college Chamberlain, with no time to react, and going straight up, and blocking a shot, in which clearly his fingertips are within a couple of inches of the top of the backboard, was the "straw that broke the camel's back."

Of course the internet has an endless supply of Chamberlain's almost unfathomable strength. The "bashers" always labeled them as purely just fables that had grown in time. Then in the last year, or so, we now have a video interview with none other than Arnold Schwartzenegger, who was just shocked by the amount of weight that Chamberlain was throwing up in the gym. Again, I added a first-hand account, in a taped interview by MSNBC moderators, in which they claimed they witnessed a Wilt, in his late 50's, benching 465 lbs (and in which Chamberlain stated that he probably could have done more.)

And now this 45 minute video, and in which there is a ton of footage of Wilt hitting turn-around bank shots, and even 15+ foot jump shots, as well as hook shots, and reverse banked lay-ins. Clearly, Chamberlain was do much of his damage throughout his career from well outside of the 3ft area under the hoop. He was pulling Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan shots, long before those two were.

And with the information available from Fpliii and nbastats.net, we now KNOW that Wilt dominated the NBA far more than anyone else who has ever played the game.

The "Custerites" have long since scattered for the hills...

Such dominance still only 2 doe.... :rolleyes:

5 years from now, still only 2 doe... :rolleyes:

10 years from now, still only 2 doe... :rolleyes:

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50 years from now, still only 2 doe... :rolleyes:

You can twist whatever bs quote you can come up with but in the end still only 2. TWO. TWO. TWO. TWO. TWO... :roll:

[QUOTE=Asukal]Such dominance still only 2 doe.... :rolleyes:

5 years from now, still only 2 doe... :rolleyes:

10 years from now, still only 2 doe... :rolleyes:

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50 years from now, still only 2 doe... :rolleyes:

You can twist whatever bs quote you can come up with but in the end still only 2. TWO. TWO. TWO. TWO. TWO... :roll:[/QUOTE]
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Came in to pay my respects to wilt chamberlain , NBA Demi god :bowdown:

The amount of research you guys do and share is admirable.

[QUOTE=clutchinho]Came in to pay my respects to wilt chamberlain , NBA Demi god :bowdown:

The amount of research you guys do and share is admirable.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for stopping by :cheers:

We love to talk about dominant stretches of players, how about this one:

Wilt Chamberlain from 2/8/67 - 2/28/67 (10 games)

32.0 ppg on 74.7FG%,
26.6 rebounds per game
9.3 assists per game
11.6 blocks per game

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: has there ever been a more dominant stretch on both ends of the floor ever!? That is flat out insane!

This may be the single most important basketball related video generated in years. I'm not exaggerating either.

[QUOTE=jlip]This may be the single most important basketball related video generated in years. I'm not exaggerating either.[/QUOTE]
Maybe, we'll see how well it circulates after the playoffs though, it might not ever get a significant amount of views being that it is 45 minutes in length and highlights a player and period of time that ESPN has made clear it wants us fans to dismiss.

[QUOTE=jlip]This may be the single most important basketball related video generated in years. I'm not exaggerating either.[/QUOTE]
I agree 100% with this. Not just as a student of the basketball history or of CavsFTW's work (of which I certainly am of both), but just as a fan of the sport. This is remarkable stuff.
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Maybe, we'll see how well it circulates after the playoffs though, it might not ever get a significant amount of views being that it is 45 minutes in length and highlights a player and period of time that ESPN has made clear it wants us fans to dismiss.[/QUOTE]
True, but I think the Kareem/Wilt video (and the Russell jumping clip) were more along the lines of what ESPN was looking for here. This type of video is intended for a different audience as far as I can tell.

[QUOTE=Asukal]Such dominance still only 2 doe.... :rolleyes:

5 years from now, still only 2 doe... :rolleyes:

10 years from now, still only 2 doe... :rolleyes:

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50 years from now, still only 2 doe... :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]

Two of the best teams ever doe. Will still be remembered 50 years from now doe.

[QUOTE=Rocketswin2013]How many MPG?[/QUOTE]

Who cares? he was shooting almost 75% while putting up a near tipple double double.