Where would you put LeBron James on the all time list? Honest answers, please.

[QUOTE=knicksman]ayiee the guy who craves respect is wanting to trigger me. LOL[/QUOTE]
I don

Top 3

Only MJ and Bird are better

[QUOTE=Andrei89]Top 3

Only MJ and Bird are better[/QUOTE]
:roll:

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]triggered coz the truth hurts[/QUOTE]
Knicks still is better in playoff matchups:lol Ewing, starks, sprewell and Houston are your daddies:oldlol:

[QUOTE=Da_Realist]Isiah led his team to two titles in perhaps the league's toughest conference ever and having to beat all time great teams led by all time greats Bird and Magic while holding off a soon-to-be all time great Bulls dynasty led by GOAT MJ.

Not the same as beating John Wall and Kyle Lowry every year. Give Isiah the same license LeBron has... let him join up with his superfriends after Detroit goes down. Let him join Cleveland and allow him to recruit Barkley, they'd be a problem. This is what LeBron has been getting away with.[/QUOTE]
So you are on all the drugs in the World. You're making knicksman look like he has 4 functioning brain cells.

Isiah isn't even a top 20 GOAT. LeBron is a top 3 GOAT. Replace LeBron with Isiah on every single team LeBron has been on and Isiah doesn't even SNIFF a ring, let alone win won. FOH with your tier 1 autism. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=LostCause]I don't think that was the case. They moved to the perimeter by necessity to allow more spacing for LeBron to operate. Pre-injury we saw it with Kevin Love who was getting way more touches in the paint than he did at any point in Cleveland, closer to what he was doing in Minnesota

Bosh we know did play more in the paint pre-LeBron so I dont know if it makes much sense to say he just suddenly became a *****. It's more likely that he was asked to stretch the floor instead of crowd the lane and that adjustment stuck with him, unlike Love who went back to getting more paint touches[/QUOTE]
~50% of Bosh's shots came outside 10ft pre-LeBron. WITH LeBron, ~54% of his shots were outside 10ft. A change of 4%. That's pretty much half a shot a game.

Also, this is straight from Bosh's mouth:

"I don't bang anybody anymore," Bosh said. "It's a tired thing for me. It's not my strength and I understand that."

"Just playing at an elite level, you play better defenders," Bosh said. "It gets tiring. What they ask us to do, to blitz the screen and roll, every single one, close out and get back. I wasn't this same weight. I was already 20-30 pounds lighter than anybody else. All that stuff just takes my energy."

Also, it was the game evolving. Bosh didn't just stop playing in the post overnight.

[QUOTE=Real14]Knicks still is better in playoff matchups:lol Ewing, starks, sprewell and Houston are your daddies:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Heat also have more titles despite the Knicks FORTY year head start :oldlol:

[QUOTE=aj1987]So you are on all the drugs in the World. You're making knicksman look like he has 4 functioning brain cells.

Isiah isn't even a top 20 GOAT. LeBron is a top 3 GOAT. Replace LeBron with Isiah on every single team LeBron has been on and Isiah doesn't even SNIFF a ring, let alone win won. FOH with your tier 1 autism. :oldlol: [/QUOTE]

That's irrelevant. And simple. I don't think LeBron would win with the teams Isiah led. Maybe if he was playing John Wall and Beal Bradley but not in the conference Isiah played in. He wouldn't know how to best utilize the talent on that team and would probably have everyone traded away.

Secondly he is nowhere near the leader Isiah was. Isiah was tough and it rubbed off on his teammates. LeBron would have his teammates flopping and begging for calls.

And no, LeBron is not top 3. Top 10-ish. In my book, 10th at best.

this forum can be a joke with some of these opinions. They're like a lvl beyond trolling. Outside top 15 is a joke no matter what.

I'm sure Lebron is winning even more than 2 titles with the loads of good players the Bad Boys had vs the aging Celtics and MJ with no help.

Not surprised that the most votes have him top 10 ish. :applause:

[QUOTE=Real14]:roll:[/QUOTE]

Poor lad, I remember in 2010 you were begging for Lebron:(

[QUOTE=NBAGOAT]this forum can be a joke with some of these opinions. They're like a lvl beyond trolling. Outside top 15 is a joke no matter what.

I'm sure Lebron is winning even more than 2 titles with the loads of good players the Bad Boys had vs the aging Celtics and MJ with no help.[/QUOTE]

No he wouldn't. He'd want to do everything and in the process he'd marginalize Dumars and VJ (who both ran the offense). LeBron ball wouldn't beat the 80's Lakers or Celtics or the 1990 Bulls. Learning to share ball responsibilities is also a great skill.

I think it's pretty indefensible to have him outside a Top 5.

Outside Top 15 is just terrible, outside Top 10, makes no sense either

Outside Jordan and Kareem, the rest of the Top 5 is interchangeable imo, and I think LeBron fits well in that range

[QUOTE=Da_Realist]No he wouldn't. He'd want to do everything and in the process he'd marginalize Dumars and VJ (who both ran the offense). LeBron ball wouldn't beat the 80's Lakers or Celtics or the 1990 Bulls. Learning to share ball responsibilities is also a great skill.[/QUOTE]

Defecting to a better player is also a skill. Dumars and VJ along with the others were certainly experienced enough to do that. There's also nothing wrong with those two running the offense less because it's just a fact lebron is better at running an offense than them as ugly as you think it looks. Miami Bron did decent enough sharing with Wade too.

The defense depending on what version of Bron could easily be nastier and better. The Pistons beat 1 version of the Lakers(89), Celtics(88), and Bulls (90)each, none at their prime lvls. I could easily see them winning in say 88 when isiah was one game from winning already. I know you know all this.

[QUOTE=NBAGOAT]Defecting to a better player is also a skill. Dumars and VJ along with the others were certainly experienced enough to do that. There's also nothing wrong with those two running the offense less because it's just a fact lebron is better at running an offense than them as ugly as you think it looks. Miami Bron did decent enough sharing with Wade too.

The defense depending on what version of Bron could easily be nastier and better. The Pistons beat 1 version of the Lakers(89), Celtics(88), and Bulls (90)each, none at their prime lvls. I could easily see them winning in say 88 when isiah was one game from winning already. I know you know all this.[/QUOTE]

I can't see them beating the 88 Lakers or the 90 Bulls. The 89 Lakers either if they aren't injured. Not with the way they'd need to change their play to fit LeBron's game. Simpler offense with a bigger focus on LeBron needing to be superman. The 90 version of Pippen (with MJ and Grant) would slow LeBron way down.

Conversely, Detroit's offense was multi-faceted. Even when Isiah struggled, other guys felt comfortable taking over. It's not about talent, it's about style. They were given opportunities to lead the offense and make basketball decisions years before they became championship caliber. When they reached the big stage, all of them were ready and dependable.

[QUOTE=Da_Realist]I can't see them beating the 88 Lakers or the 90 Bulls. The 89 Lakers either if they aren't injured. Not with the way they'd need to change their play to fit LeBron's game. Simpler offense with a bigger focus on LeBron needing to be superman. The 90 version of Pippen (with MJ and Grant) would slow LeBron way down.

Conversely, Detroit's offense was multi-faceted. Even when Isiah struggled, other guys felt comfortable taking over. It's not about talent, it's about style. They were given opportunities to lead the offense and make basketball decisions years before they became championship caliber. When they reached the big stage, all of them were ready and dependable.[/QUOTE]

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