Curry is the most overrated player in history

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14767197]Curry needed far more defensive help than a lot of other GOATs. That has to play some factor when ranking Curry.[/QUOTE]
Interesting. Many of his teammates have to be reduced into screensetting roles for them to actually prosper.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14767197]Curry needed far more defensive help than a lot of other GOATs. That has to play some factor when ranking Curry. No doubt he is one of the best offensive players of all time though.[/QUOTE]


Defensive help?

Curry uses small-ball to win - he found a way to win with an entirely lower level of defensive help

He won titles with less rebounding or rim protection or bigs compared to what Lebron needed

Furthermore, generational offensive talents like Bird, Curry or Jordan that can carry the scoring load allow GM's to surround them with cheap defenders, so they still have #1 defenses... Otoh, guys with more cumbersome offensive games like Luka or Lebron need expensive scorers and shooters to pass to, which leaves less capacity to build a defensive team.

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[QUOTE=3ba11;14767207]Defensive help?

Curry uses small-ball to win - he found a way to win with an entirely lower level of defensive help

He won titles with less rebounding or rim protection or bigs compared to what Lebron needed

Furthermore, generational offensive talents like Bird, Curry or Jordan that can carry the scoring load allow GM's to surround them with cheap defenders, so they still have #1 defenses... Otoh, guys with more cumbersome offensive games like Luka or Lebron need expensive scorers and shooters to pass to, which leaves less capacity to build a defensive team.[/QUOTE]

Curry has had a DPOY caliber player on defense in Dray and plenty of other defensive studs. Warriors had a few number 1 defensive teams in the league and that's WITH Curry being the weak link on defense.

You are just being disingenuous like always.

Also, Curry won in 2017 and 2018 with the most STACKED teams of all time (not factoring in teams like the 60's celtics). In 2015, he went against a crippled Cavaliers teams. Curry is a legend, but his resume is overrated. Dude got outplayed by Lebron in every playoff series they faced and then KD came and outplayed Curry two finals in a row (would've been three in a row if KD didn't get hurt in 2019).

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14767212]Curry has had a DPOY caliber player on defense in Dray and plenty of other defensive studs. Warriors had a few number 1 defensive teams in the league and that's WITH Curry being the weak link on defense.

You are just being disingenuous like always.

Also, Curry won in 2017 and 2018 with the most STACKED teams of all time (not factoring in teams like the 60's celtics). In 2015, he went against a crippled Cavaliers teams. Curry is a legend, but his resume is overrated. Dude got outplayed by Lebron in every playoff series they faced and then KD came and outplayed Curry two finals in a row (would've been three in a row if KD didn't get hurt in 2019).[/QUOTE]

Keep crying bitch.

[QUOTE=hold this L;14767246]Keep crying bitch.[/QUOTE]

:lol

He's so salty.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14767212]Curry has had a DPOY caliber player on defense in Dray and plenty of other defensive studs. Warriors had a few number 1 defensive teams in the league and that's WITH Curry being the weak link on defense.

You are just being disingenuous like always.

Also, Curry won in 2017 and 2018 with the most STACKED teams of all time (not factoring in teams like the 60's celtics). In 2015, he went against a crippled Cavaliers teams. Curry is a legend, but his resume is overrated. Dude got outplayed by Lebron in every playoff series they faced and then KD came and outplayed Curry two finals in a row (would've been three in a row if KD didn't get hurt in 2019).[/QUOTE]
I remember the team used to take him out from the floor once he becomes a defensive liability.

Is Curry still top 5 or is he most overrated player in history? :lol:lol

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14767212]Curry has had a DPOY caliber player on defense in Dray and plenty of other defensive studs. Warriors had a few number 1 defensive teams in the league and that's WITH Curry being the weak link on defense.

You are just being disingenuous like always.

Also, Curry won in 2017 and 2018 with the most STACKED teams of all time (not factoring in teams like the 60's celtics). In 2015, he went against a crippled Cavaliers teams. Curry is a legend, but his resume is overrated. Dude got outplayed by Lebron in every playoff series they faced and then KD came and outplayed Curry two finals in a row (would've been three in a row if KD didn't get hurt in 2019).[/QUOTE]

Devastating ether. :oldlol:


38 yo Bron bullied him AGAIN.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14767212]Curry has had a DPOY caliber player on defense in Dray and plenty of other defensive studs. Warriors had a few number 1 defensive teams in the league and that's WITH Curry being the weak link on defense.

You are just being disingenuous like always.

Also, Curry won in 2017 and 2018 with the most STACKED teams of all time (not factoring in teams like the 60's celtics). In 2015, he went against a crippled Cavaliers teams. Curry is a legend, but his resume is overrated. Dude got outplayed by Lebron in every playoff series they faced and then KD came and outplayed Curry two finals in a row (would've been three in a row if KD didn't get hurt in 2019).[/QUOTE]

Cavs were 1st in 2015 and Warriors 8th [url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_preseason_odds.html[/url] (Golden State 8th)

2016 Cavs were 1st and Warriors 2nd. In 2017 Warriors 1st and Cavs 2nd.
2019 Lakers 4th (no playoffs), Raptors 5th title

2014 Miami 1st and Spurs 6th [url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014_preseason_odds.html[/url]
[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011_preseason_odds.html[/url] (Dallas 7th) and Miami 1st.

[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html[/url] (Lakers 1st) - 1st round exit

[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2022_preseason_odds.html[/url] (Lakers 2nd) - Missed play in.

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14776670]Devastating ether. :oldlol:


38 yo Bron bullied him AGAIN.[/QUOTE]
Did so while being hampered as well.

3ball please explain this thread.

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[B][SIZE=3]FYI - this is a fake thread made by mods as they stole the "3ball" account from me a while ago - I haven't had access to it for about 4-5 years[/SIZE][/B]


here's the real 3ball thread about my top 10 that was made in 2021:

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward[/url]


In late 2021 (the start of the 2022 season), I saw the light when I saw that Curry somehow had the best team in the league with confirmed losers like Poole and Wiggins as the best players.. It dawned on me that Curry actually fulfilled all my criteria (off-ball, ball movement, goat chemistry, etc)... So it was a quick fix, hence the thread above...

(the giannis thing at #10 was very temporary and simple recency bias - the impetus for the thread was to show that I had come around on Curry.. my rankings have only changed marginally since then, such as putting giannis out of the top 10 and putting Curry over Russell... ultimately, the best expert jumpshooters won with less than the best bigs, who won with less than the best ball-dominators, so my current top 10 show this hierarchy, aka the best jumpshooters > the best centers > the best ball-dominators, based on who needed the least help to win.. this is one of the only top 10 rankings you will see that have clear-cut criteria).

Interesting

Wow, this just might be the dumbest thread in ISH history, whoever made this is a moron who knows absolutely nothing about basketball.