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[QUOTE=Lebron23;14752384]Not even close[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Lebron23;14752384]Not even close[/QUOTE]
You right. Lebron couldn't make playoffs with Peak Anthony Davis, Russell Westbrook, Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony and only won 33 games.
[QUOTE=Soundwave;14730567]This is actually one thing I will grant Bronnies, LeBron probably is better at age 38.
*That said* I think being a bit taller helps you age better as you don't need to jump quite as high to get your shot off, get dunks off, etc. Being 6'8 over 6'6 helps in this regard, Karl Malone is also about that size and we saw he was able to play effectively for a long time too.
Also I don't think Wizards Jordan was ever like 100% in shape. He kinda just decided on a whim to come back after not playing much for three years at an advanced age which probably isn't a good idea and then broke his ribs in the summer playing pick up, started to get back into shape and his numbers started to look good and then he tore his knee and you're not coming back from a knee tear at age 38/39, no way.
Beyond that I do think LeBron takes better care of his body, Jordan was an athletic freak with incredible body mass index and a pure athlete, don't get me wrong, but it seems like as his career went on he was into playing poker all night, smoking cigars, staying up for most nights, playing huge amounts of golf in-season ... while I think Jordan's great athleticism let him get away with doing that in his late 20s/30s and it was necessary to blow off steam given the fishbowl atmosphere he lived in, it's hard to pull that off at age 38/39.
That said though I do suspect LeBron is also taking illegal supplements to prolong his career. There's no way anyone with a straight face can say Wade wasn't on some shit in Miami when LeBron was there, and if Wade was doing it, I bet LeBron got hooked on it too. LeBron just didn't have the pre-existing knee conditions Wade had and probably these days is using something even better and harder to detect than 10 years ago.[/QUOTE]
Wizards Jordan was already breaking down early in the season. He had knee problems starting in training camp. It wasn't a shape issue. His body was just breaking down.
Jordan simply does not have longevity.
Bron just came back from a foot tendon tear at 38.
[QUOTE=8Ball;14752766]Wizards Jordan was already breaking down early in the season. He had knee problems starting in training camp. It wasn't a shape issue. His body was just breaking down.
Jordan simply does not have longevity.
Bron just came back from a foot tendon tear at 38.[/QUOTE]
And still a higher impact player than LeShrivel was at 36 years old. There's levels to this GOAT stuff. And Bronie is about 4 levels below Jordan.
Bron at 36 was all-nba level player.
Jordan wasn't even close, and Jordan was given 3 years load management + 1.5 more in 94 and 95.
[QUOTE=8Ball;14752796]Bron at 36 was all-nba level player.
Jordan wasn't even close, and Jordan was given 3 years load management + 1.5 more in 94 and 95.[/QUOTE]
Jordan at 38 was still a competent defender. Bronie at 36 was a statue on defense to save energy for stat padding.
Truth hurts.
2023 LeBron >>>> 2001-2003 Michael Jordan
You right. Lebron couldn't make playoffs with Peak Anthony Davis, Russell Westbrook, Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony and only won 33 games.
[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14754842]You right. Lebron couldn't make playoffs with Peak Anthony Davis, Russell Westbrook, Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony and only won 33 games.[/QUOTE]
Rest In Peace Michael Jordan
[QUOTE=Lebron23;14754846]Rest In Peace Michael Jordan[/QUOTE]
You right. Lebron couldn't make playoffs with Peak Anthony Davis, Russell Westbrook, Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony and only won 33 games.
[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14754848]You right. Lebron couldn't make playoffs with Peak Anthony Davis, Russell Westbrook, Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony and only won 33 games.[/QUOTE]
You are retarded. Welcome to my ignore lists
Need an answer on each thread below.
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired[/url]
[url]https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT[/url]
Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher[/url]
Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2[/url]
Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED[/url]
Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2[/url]
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.
Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14[/url]
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds
[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html[/url]
And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster[/url]
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.
Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating [url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10?[/url] Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head[/url]
Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron[/url]
Devin Booker broke Lebron
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503966-3ball-why-can-LeBron-win-with-Irving-but-KD-can-t&p=14584482#post14584482[/url]
Lebron won bronze medal twice and lost with HCA 3x. Jordan only won gold medal and never lost with HCA. Prove me wrong!
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season[/url]
[url]https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats[/url]
Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600[/url]
How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry[/url]
Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360[/url]
Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac[/url]
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.
Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.
LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming[/url]
[url]https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480740-Vasileios-Spanoulis-gt-gt-gt-Lebron-James[/url]
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.:oldlol:
[url]http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html[/url]
First Time Ever a team with 2 guys who won MVP missed the playoffs
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503543-First-Time-Ever-a-team-with-2-guys-who-won-MVP-missed-the-playoffs[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503981-Why-does-Lebron-have-2-bronze-medals-while-KD-only-has-gold-medals&p=14584371#post14584371[/url]
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[QUOTE=Lebron23;14754850]You are retarded. Welcome to my ignore lists[/QUOTE]
These are facts.
[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html[/url] (Lakers 1st) - 1st round lost
[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2022_preseason_odds.html[/url] (Lakers 2nd) - No Play in.
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