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Adrian Wojnarowski: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Free agent guard Austin Rivers has agreed on a one-year deal with the Minnesota Timberwolves, his agents Dave Spahn and Aaron Mintz of CAA Sports tell ESPN. Rivers played 67 games for Denver a year ago, where new president Tim Connelly signed him in consecutive seasons[/URL].
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Minnesota gets better
Re: 2022 off season Post Gobert. A new era begins
[QUOTE] The New York Knicks are hot after Donovan Mitchell, but they have to be careful not to end up bidding against themselves in trade talks with the Utah Jazz. We know Danny Ainge has a history of asking for, and often getting, the world, and indeed, Ainge recently asked the Knicks for a king’s ransom in exchange for Mitchell. According to Tony Jones of The Athletic, [URL="https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-knicks-backed-away-from-jazzs-huge-request-that-included-six-draft-picks/"]Utah offered Mitchell to New York for six future first-round draft picks plus Quentin Grimes, Immanuel Quickley, Obi Toppin and Miles McBride, but the Knicks “backed away” from that proposal[/URL].
– via [URL="https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-knicks-backed-away-from-jazzs-huge-request-that-included-six-draft-picks/"]CBSSports.com[/URL]
Jones also reported that despite being linked to the trade, RJ Barrett isn’t likely to make the move to Utah simply because he doesn’t fit with what they’re trying to do: [URL="https://clutchpoints.com/jazz-rumors-utahs-insane-donovan-mitchell-trade-demands-that-forced-knicks-to-back-out-of-deal/"]“The Jazz do not wont to take back RJ Barrett in the deal because they don’t want to pay him. They wanna go young,” Jones added[/URL].
– via [URL="https://clutchpoints.com/jazz-rumors-utahs-insane-donovan-mitchell-trade-demands-that-forced-knicks-to-back-out-of-deal/"]Paolo Songco @ Clutch Points[/URL]
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so no Reddish either? Sounds like a fair deal. Danny wouldn't try to rob anyone! :lol
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[QUOTE] Tim MacMahon: [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/2D8TWOGcTK5cHFAQ83ea2h"]The Jazz have have talked about moving (Mike) Conley. They’ve talked about moving (Bojan) Bogdanovic[/URL].
– via [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/2D8TWOGcTK5cHFAQ83ea2h"]Spotify[/URL]
Tim MacMahon: [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/2D8TWOGcTK5cHFAQ83ea2h"]I’ll say if the Jazz and Raptors do a trade, I think Bogdanovic would be the guy going to Toronto, not Donovan Mitchell[/URL].
– via [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/2D8TWOGcTK5cHFAQ83ea2h"]Spotify[/URL]
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Clarkson please!
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[url]https://kslsports.com/489576/three-hypothetical-jazz-knicks-donovan-mitchell-trades/[/url]
[QUOTE]This would signal a total rebuild for the Jazz with no significant long-term contracts on the books, and get them back into the 2024 NBA Draft where they don’t currently own any picks.
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don't think they care much about 2024 at the moment
[QUOTE]Furthermore, the Knicks maintain roster flexibility by holding onto Toppin, Reddish, and Grimes providing ample young depth behind a competitive starting lineup.
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sounds like Grimes is a key piece for Danny
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[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/14/23219784/what-life-for-the-utah-jazz-and-knicks-could-look-like-in-the-aftermath-of-a-donovan-mitchell-trade[/url]
[QUOTE]If the Jazz were to move forward with Mitchell they would have an absolutely impossible task of trying to build a team around him that would come close to being able to contend. The defense is completely depleted without Gobert and Royce O’Neale, they still have the problem of having a too small back court with Mitchell and Mike Conley and there would need to be deals upon deals upon deals made to flip some assets and current players to make the Jazz a team that could even compete for a playoff spot, much less anything else.
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new coach. New 6th man. new pg. Playoffs
[QUOTE]The Knicks, who have a treasure chest full of future picks to offer in a deal, are probably going to have to give up at least a handful of them in order to land Mitchell, especially after the Gobert trade dictated the worth of a star player in today’s market. A deal would also probably include some number of younger high-ceiling players that are already semi-established.
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we no the price of a statue anyway
[QUOTE]It’s fairly easy to see the path forward for the Jazz.
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now that Gobert is gone it's clear. Replacing Gobert not so clear
[QUOTE]I understand getting someone like Mitchell, who is considered somewhat of a homegrown product for New York, being able to step in as a three-time All-Star who might not have even reached his highest potential yet, and making him the face of the franchise. But if we are talking about winning and hopefully contending for a title, I’m still uncertain about New York’s plan.
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good luck making the playoffs!
[QUOTE]Recent reports suggest that the Knicks have been hesitant to include as many future assets as the Jazz are asking for in a deal, and that makes sense to me. I don’t think that the Knicks have what it would take to be a contending team if they give up more than five of their future draft picks.
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Danny might settle for 5. Depends on the rest of the package
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[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/14/23219542/four-utah-jazz-assistant-coaches-will-remain-on-staff-with-new-head-coach-will-hardy-alex-jensen[/url]
[QUOTE]The Jazz feel confident in Hardy, a first-time NBA head coach, and believe that he is fortunate to have multiple people in the Jazz organization who have NBA head coaching experience for him to lean on for advice. Jazz CEO Danny Ainge and assistant general manager David Fizdale both have extensive experience coaching in the NBA.[/QUOTE]
don't think Danny's was to extensive. He was a good head coach. Probably a better front office guy though
[QUOTE]Jensen originally joined the Jazz coaching staff in 2013 under Ty Corbin and was kept on staff by Snyder, eventually becoming his lead assistant. Roland joined the Jazz coaching staff in 2021, Skeeter has been a player development and assistant coach since 2016, and Bailey joined the Jazz staff in 2019 after coaching with the SLC Stars.
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figured Roland must be new. Didn't recognize his name so much
wonder if the Stars will have new coaches too?
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[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/14/23216974/what-trade-haul-could-the-utah-jazz-get-from-the-new-york-knicks-for-donovan-mitchell-draft-assets[/url]
[QUOTE]In exchange for Utah sending Mitchell and [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2021/11/19/22788302/dedication-and-little-bit-of-crazy-how-rudy-gay-has-stayed-relevant-after-15-years-utah-jazz"]Rudy Gay[/URL] to the Knicks, the Jazz would receive Evan Fournier, Cam Reddish, Obi Toppin and Miles McBride, as well as New York’s 2023, 2025 and 2027 first-round picks, and two first-round picks the Knicks have acquired from other teams — the Dallas Mavericks’ 2023 pick (top-10 protected) and the Wizards’ 2023 pick (top-14 protected).[/QUOTE]
would certainly want Gay in the deal if they have to take on Fournier, Rose or Randle
[QUOTE]“Would Barrett be a deal-breaker for Utah? Probably not, especially in light of the limitations facing other suitors here. If the Knicks put seven or eight first-rounders on the table, nobody else is going to top that. Right now, they’re in the driver’s seat with or without Barrett, and that likely suits Utah just fine. He’s too good to properly tank with anyway.”
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if he was too good to tank with the Knicks wouldn't have sucked last year. Jazz likely suck just fine with Barrett leading them
[QUOTE]The Thunder trade scenario involves Derrick Favors returning to Utah, as well as the first-round pick the Jazz traded along with him to Oklahoma City in 2021.
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told ya Favors coming home! Hopefully they get the first back too :roll:
[QUOTE]The Heat have come up numerous times as a destination for Mitchell, and ESPN proposed a three-team trade (including Miami and OKC) where the Jazz would receive Tyler Herro, Nikola Jovic, Duncan Robinson and Gabe Vincent, as well as first-round picks in 2023, 2027 and 2029.
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they don't want Robinson
[QUOTE]The deal would send Mitchell and Udoke Azubuike to Miami, while the Thunder would get a collection of four future draft picks.
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wouldn't be looking to deal another starting center unless the doctors think it's best
[QUOTE]In this proposed trade, the Nets get Mitchell, Mikal Bridges and Myles Turner, the Phoenix Suns get Kevin Durant, who’s requested a trade from Brooklyn, the Indiana Pacers get DeAndre Ayton and the Jazz get Ben Simmons and a plethora of Suns picks: Phoenix’s picks in 2023, 2025, 2027 and 2029, and swaps with the Suns in 2024, 2026 and 2028.
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no on Simmons
[QUOTE]“Utah gets an absolute haul for Mitchell, getting Phoenix’s draft picks for the next several years in addition to taking a free swing on Simmons,” ESPN’s Tim Bontemps wrote.
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the Suns picks aren't the ones you want
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[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/14/23216167/donovan-mitchell-trade-utah-jazz-tank-who-is-victor-wembenyama-2023-nba-draft-new-york-knicks[/url]
[QUOTE]As ESPN’s Jonathan Givony wrote last month, “The 7’3, 18-year-old Wembenyama, who boasts a 7’9 wingspan and 9’7 standing reach, has wowed NBA executives the past three years with his exceptional combination of fluidity, perimeter skill, shot-blocking instincts and feel for the game.”
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Rudy length with skill!
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[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat-latest-jazz-news/2022/7/14/23216434/donovan-mitchell-trade-utah-jazz-new-york-knick[/url]
[QUOTE]It’s going to be one of those days where every notification that pops up on your phone is a potential blockbuster trade sending away Donovan Mitchell. Not gonna lie, my heart kinda broke a little bit typing that last sentence. Donovan has been unlike any player that the Jazz have ever had. The magical rookie year, dunk contest, the All-Stars, the smack-talk, 50-point playoff games, shoe deals, speaking out on social issues, Black Lives Matter, Breonna Taylor, beefing with Utah senators, giving away his shoes to kids at the games, THERE’S JUST SO MUCH. I’ll save the Donovan Mitchell tribute for when he’s actually gone, but this dude has just done so much good stuff in his 5 years in Utah. Seeing him traded away will be very difficult.
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after sending a statue down the road this is easy
[QUOTE]The [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com"]Utah Jazz[/URL] rebuild is already underway. It was under way when they traded Joe Ingles during the regular season. It got a big boost when they traded Rudy Gobert two weeks ago. Trading Donovan Mitchell and adding to their stockpile of draft picks will initiate the biggest rebuild AKA TANK that we have ever seen as Jazz fans. I have no idea what to expect, but here we go.
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unless the next Rudy ruins this tank too!
[QUOTE]Tony Jones on ESPN700 today said the line Danny put to the Knicks was 6 firsts, Obi, IQ, Grimes, and McBride and hasn’t really budged off of that[/QUOTE]
Danny's way or the highway Mr. James ****in' Dolan! But where's my pick swaps? and no protections?
[QUOTE]Also mentioned via Andy Larsen, that this deal could get done by tomorrow and seems to be hung up only on whether NY trades Grimes as well or if not if the Jazz can pry the 2029 pick instead.
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Can't imagine Grimes holding it up. I realize they refused to trade him to other teams and like him but if you want Mitchell you have to give up something. a 6'4 guard that will be behind Brunson, Mitchell and Barrett holds things up? I'm sure Danny is going to try to pry everything he possibly can
[QUOTE]As for Randle and Fournier....Fournier is an expiring after next year. Some team will take him at the deadline for seconds. He is a salary filler. [/QUOTE]
If Fournier has a team option on year two and 3 than he's the guy. Says he has 3 more years but they should be able to move him anyway. I imagine Thibs doesn't want to see Rose go and they don't want Randle
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[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/15/what-a-donovan-mitchell-deal-to-philadelphia-would-look-like/[/url]
another player the Jazz once wanted but makes no sense now
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[url]https://twitter.com/lmaotaa/status/1546973714469662720[/url]
Real?
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[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/15/knicks-reject-latest-utah-jazz-trade-idea-donovan-mitchell/[/url]
[QUOTE]While New York are still the favourite, the Knicks rejected the Jazz’ latest trade proposal for Donovan, which was reportedly Immanuel Quickley, Obi Toppin, Quentin Grimes, Miles McBride and six future first round picks. The Knicks young core depends heavily on the energy and passion that Toppin, Quickley and Grimes bring, and while six first round picks may end up being the return for Mitchell, the Knicks won’t give up most of their young core to make this happen.
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you court Mitchell you have to give up something. Danny won't let you off that easy. I just hope he's having fun now?
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[url]https://fansided.com/2022/07/14/knicks-r-j-barrett-donovan-mitchell-trade/[/url]
Ainge doesn't want him. Everyone else should be on the table except probably Reddish for the same reasons
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[url]https://fansided.com/2022/07/14/jazz-trade-scenario-cavs-collin-sexton/[/url]
[QUOTE]The rest of that paragraph makes this deal sound unlikely and, honestly, a cheaper wing-creator like Clarkson probably makes more sense for the Cavs, considering they have Darius Garland and already signed Ricky Rubio this offseason. I did suggest a version of this trade in [URL="https://fansided.com/2022/07/13/kevin-durant-donovan-mitchell-trades/"]The Whiteboard yesterday[/URL], but it had Conley routed to the Bulls, Sexton going to the Jazz and Mitchell ending up with the Cavs, along with [I]a lot[/I] of other moving parts.
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Conley to the Bulls makes more sense but where's my 6 Knicks 1sts!
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[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fournev01.html[/url]
[QUOTE] 2024-25 is a team option.
Signed 4-yr/$73M contract Tuesday, August 17, 2021 as part of a sign and trade from BOS to NYK.
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2 more years isn't as bad. Should be able to flip him. Maybe to Minnesota so he can be with his pal