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[QUOTE=gts]always remember that radio and TV talk show guys need to stir the pot now and again to keep the listeners listening and calling... the shows not interesting if everything they say is agreeable... and the kobe vs. MJ debate will always stir the pot... lol[/QUOTE]
Indeed.:pimp:
[QUOTE=KINGD]This post explains Kobe's great TEAM defense as well.
And if we're going to look at how the defense falls apart when a player doesn't play, we might as well switch some of the attention to Kobe as LAs defense falls apart more when he's off court (-11.2 points per 100 possessions) than Boston's D does when KG sits (-9.2). Actually if you're going to use the points per 100 possessions to show defensive impact, Kobe's is bigger than any player in the running for the MVP, including KG.
Lakers defensive efficiency is worse than the worst team in the league (that would be the Knicks) by a good margin when Kobe is off the floor, and is better than the team ranked 4th (Hornets) with him on the floor. Don't know how much more you can ask for if you go by defensive efficiency as a way to measure defensive impact
LA's defense decreases by 12.2 points per 100 possessions when Kobe is on the bench, while the offense increases by 5.3 points per 100 possessions,
As a little follow up to the defensive impact argument, I've looked into on/off court impact in eFG% too. The leaders among players that play at least 50% are:
1. Kobe Bryant -5.1%
2. Marcus Camby -4.4%
3. Pau Gasol -4.3%
4. Kevin Garnett -4.1%
I think it's interesting how just about every shotblocker in the league has a good impact here, and few guards have good impact. It's very noteworthy that a guard is on top of the chart.
The leaders in on/off impact in defensive efficiency (points per 100 possessions) were:
1. Kobe Bryant -12.2
2. Josh Smith -9.1
x. Marcus Camby -8.3
x. Kevin Garnett -7.8 (can't remember all the players in between, but I know Kobe and Josh were 1 and 2).
So, I feel very confident when I say that Kobe is my DPOY at this point in the season followed by KG and Marcus Camby. Biggest impact in both eFG% and defensive efficiency is pretty big, especially for a guard. No stat is perfect unless you have the right context, and these are no different, but they show a strong indication none the less.
[url]http://www.ocregister.com/sports/lakers-kobe-bryant-1996873-left-game[/url]
I think Kobe should be DPOY .[/QUOTE]
I wonder why Kobe fans weren't trumpeting these 82games.com defensive stats the last two seasons to defend Kobe's defensive first team nods when others were criticizing them. Oh, wait, I know why: because he was decidedly average in all of these metrics in '06 and '07. But now that he's doing well in them, Kobe fans cite the numbers while formerly minimizing them. Typical Kobe fan hypocrisy. :oldlol:
Kobe fans did the same thing with block and steal numbers. The past several years all they did was deride players who posted good block/steal numbers as "gamblers," but then when, for the first 10-12 games of this season, Kobe was averaging 2.3+ steals/1+ blk, all of a sudden it was about how he was "a terror on the defensive end, full of energy and activity; a DPOY candidate." :oldlol: They do the same with rebounding, too; I've actually heard Kobe fans say that Kobe doesn't average more rebounds or have high rebounding games because "he would just be stealing rebounds from his teammates" -- as if the Lakers have been a rebounding force the past few years. :oldlol: Then, when he has a few consecutive double-digit rebounding games, it all becomes how he's such a great rebounder and well-rounded player etc. (despite having just 2-4 double digit rebounding games in the past two seasons [b]combined[/b] prior to a couple of months ago, mind you).
Just utter, flagrant hypocrisy and sophistry. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Anaximandro1]Black Mamba is not in Duncan
Still dumb kids out there saying Kobe is better than Jordan. That's cool because saying that doesn't make it so. So might say Kobe is a better offensive player but that's not even true. Then in all other categories Jordan smashes Kobe to pieces.
Los Angeles so wants to have this godly like basketball super hero like Jordan they blow up Kobe's accomplishments. The only thing Kobe has done is score 81 points in a game and ride Shaq to 3 titles. That's better than Jordan? Pahahahahahha
[QUOTE=RoseCity07]Still dumb kids out there saying Kobe is better than Jordan. That's cool because saying that doesn't make it so. So might say Kobe is a better offensive player but that's not even true. Then in all other categories Jordan smashes Kobe to pieces.
Los Angeles so wants to have this godly like basketball super hero like Jordan they blow up Kobe's accomplishments. The only thing Kobe has done is score 81 points in a game and ride Shaq to 3 titles. That's better than Jordan? Pahahahahahha[/QUOTE]
I'll assume you were being sarcastic in this thread
[URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35145&page=7"]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35145&page=7[/URL]
[QUOTE=Loki]I wonder why Kobe fans weren't trumpeting these 82games.com defensive stats the last two seasons to defend Kobe's defensive first team nods when others were criticizing them. Oh, wait, I know why: because he was decidedly average in all of these metrics in '06 and '07. But now that he's doing well in them, Kobe fans cite the numbers while formerly minimizing them. Typical Kobe fan hypocrisy. :oldlol:
Kobe fans did the same thing with block and steal numbers. The past several years all they did was deride players who posted good block/steal numbers as "gamblers," but then when, for the first 10-12 games of this season, Kobe was averaging 2.3+ steals/1+ blk, all of a sudden it was about how he was "a terror on the defensive end, full of energy and activity; a DPOY candidate." :oldlol: They do the same with rebounding, too; I've actually heard Kobe fans say that Kobe doesn't average more rebounds or have high rebounding games because "he would just be stealing rebounds from his teammates" -- as if the Lakers have been a rebounding force the past few years. :oldlol: Then, when he has a few consecutive double-digit rebounding games, it all becomes how he's such a great rebounder and well-rounded player etc. (despite having just 2-4 double digit rebounding games in the past two seasons [b]combined[/b] prior to a couple of months ago, mind you).
Just utter, flagrant hypocrisy and sophistry. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
:confusedshrug:
Being satirical is fun sometimes. I know Kobe didn't really do much in the playoffs in comparison to Shaq. Looking at the numbers it's not even disputable that Shaq is the reason the Lakers won.
[QUOTE=Diesel J]Those Kobe finals stats aren't too impressive:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Actually his eFG% in the finals is 100%. Just check 82games.com. He shot all halfcourt shots in the finals because phil told him to.
jordan and pippen the best!:applause:Nobody ever be better than them
[QUOTE=Loki]When a player who's actually better shows up, people will recognize it. End of discussion.[/QUOTE]
Co-sign
[QUOTE=falcon#5]Micheal Jordan was one of the greatest players to play the game but people are going to have to face it sooner or later that they're are players just as good as him if not better.
People are in denial and they will never let anyone be better than Micheal jordan people just wont accept it thats how it is.
People ride off other players before they have even compared them to him because they wont let anyone be better seriously think about it.
woRd OUT[/QUOTE]
Whos better then Kobe? :D
The only way to understand Michael Jordan is to have lived through it. Every time Jordan played, it was an event. You always felt like something special was about to happen.
And it always did.
The only player since then that I feel has that aura is Lebron James. There is just something special about the great ones.
Lebron James isn't on Michael's level yet, but he's the only player that I feel could get there.
What I also find funny is how people think he would just be another swingman nowadays...oh my lord.....
It wasn't just his physical gifts, which were tremendous. It was his unbelievable will to win that made him standout.
One of the great things about Jordan is, not only did he always meet the hype, he usually exceeded it It was unreal living through the Jordan era..
All I have to say is one of his seasons:
53.5% On the field while scoring 35, while putting up 5/5/3/1
playing as a GUARD position.
Thats really insane.
Closes one to being as good as MJ or prolly better would be the other MJ. (magic jonhson)