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[QUOTE=NBAEMoreira022]are you trying to say that MJ's 69 was better than Kobe's 81? go to the store and buy something that costs 81 dollars but instead only pay 69 dollars and 18 pennies and see if the clerk thinks its better than 81[/QUOTE]
This is the dumbest analogy ive heard in my entire life
The value/impact of ~15 rebounds certainly changes when it's a Jordan or Kobe game, huh?
As far as a individual offensive display, Kobe's is better. If you watch Jordan's 69, it comes much more within the realm of the offense. The better overall game was Jordan, but the better pure display of offensive brilliance was Kobe Bryant, I think he even kicked one in:oldlol:
Easily Jordan's game. With reason. He gave you 69, but his context makes his game better. 69 big ones, with 6 dimes (2 points a bucket means he affected 81 points on the score boards), plus the 18 rebounds ... against one of the best team's in the conference.
And MJ didn't start raining buckets until he came down with a tweaked ankle, and got pissed when the Cleveland crowd was cheering while he was down with injury.
I recently re-watched the Kobe game, and remove 6 years and have a clear head and it is one of the most self serving disgusting performances I have EVER seen. Like everything in Kobe's career, it seemed to come out contrived, pre-planned, and forced.
Kobe went into the game with the mind set of trying to score AS MANY points as possible. Do little else. Just score. Against a BOTTOM FEEDER.
I never saw MJ going into a game trying to score AS MANY points as possible, at the expense of everything else in the game. MJ would make statement games where he'd give a team 50 but he did it in the flow of the offense, still got others involved, played the game organically ... and wasn't self indulgent trying to go over a certain mark.
I forget what exact point in the game, but when I just recently re-watched it ... when Kobe was in the mid 60's the Lakers had handily taken control of the game. They were doubling him, and he could have EASILY got others involved, but he kept shooting. I had fun watching it in 2006, but watching it now it was embarrassing. No wonder his teammates didn't even seem all that thrilled for him.
If MJ went out with the purpose to score as much as he wanted to in a game, everyone else be damned, and truly put out a selfish contrived performance like Kobe's 81 ... he could've replicated it quite easily.
As always, context is what separates things. The devil is in the details, and the WAY in which Kobe got his points. It's the mentality. Not to mention this was against an atrocious defense, in a meaningless regular season game, against one of the worst teams in the league.
I've never seen Kobe go off in legendary mode for epic memorable games in the playoffs or against elite competition like Mike did when expected. Kobe if anything usually underperforms and disappoints in those game.
And I don't even want to hear quality of defenders, athleticism bull sh1t excuse for Kobe. Ehlo was a good scrappy defender even if non athletic. Jalen Rose was old as dirt and always un athletic and so was Mo Pete at that point in his career. Defensive capabilities has never been only attributed to athletic ability, anyway.
Plus, watching the Jordan 69 video, he was sinking mid range jumpers with two and three men coming at him ... most note worthy 6'10 and 7'0 Hot Rod Williams (very athletic) and Brad Daughrety.
MJ as usual wins in the contest with Kobe. Let's see Bean do this in the playoffs with any sort of regularity. Cause it won't happen. His one playoff 50 point game came in an overtime contest with a team whose ENTIRE philosophy was to NOT play defense.
Call to Kobe stans: eliteballer, MaxFly ... rebuttal?
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[QUOTE=LakersDynasty]Let's not forget Kobe also scored 62 in 3 quarters and outscored an NBA Finals team.
62 in 3 quarters or 69 in overtime?[/QUOTE]
:roll:
Kobe shot 6 less times in 3 quarters, he also shot 2 more free throws in three quarters than MJ did in a OT game :roll:
[QUOTE=Calabis]As far as a individual offensive display, Kobe's is better. If you watch Jordan's 69, it comes much more within the realm of the offense. The better overall game was Jordan, but the better pure display of offensive brilliance was Kobe Bryant, I think he even kicked one in:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Kobe was playing within the realm of the offense for most of the first half...but it wasn't working at all. They were down nearly 20 to the Raptors at one point. The Lakers came back when Kobe started playing hero ball.
How is it a preconceived goal when his team was DOWN double digits? He scored 55 points in the second half.. he didn't come out gunning from the get go
[QUOTE=Calabis]
Kobe shot 6 less times in 3 quarters, he also shot 2 more free throws in three quarters than MJ did in a OT game[/QUOTE]
Dude well that was the season where they gave out free-throws like candy.
[QUOTE=chazzy]How is it a preconceived goal when his team was DOWN double digits?[/quote]
Purely coincidental. You can see it in his mannerisms coming out he was looking to ONLY score.
[QUOTE=chazzy]He scored 55 points in the second half.. he didn't come out gunning from the get go[/QUOTE]
Those 55 points weren't needed ... JUST from Bryant.
The Lakers recaptured the lead I believe late 3rd quarter or very early 4th.
There is a point in the game where Kobe has 60+ and the Lakers have the definitive lead and Kobe is still shooting with double teams for what reason?
All he needed to do was use his ability to create to get others involved.
:oldlol: @ acting like all those 2nd half 55 points from Bryant and Bryant alone were pure heroics to win the game.
My jesus you Kobe stans are too much sometimes. There is about 11 - 15 points from the 81 that weren't necessary in the slightest. Or could've been easily used to help a teammates confidence.
This site has become overrun by the Kobe apostle generation.
MJ
[QUOTE=Money 23]
I've never seen Kobe go off in legendary mode for epic memorable games in the playoffs or against elite competition like Mike did when expected. [/QUOTE]
And just lol at this. Just because you've stopped watching the NBA since your boy retired, doesn't mean these games haven't happened.
Did you not see what Odom was doing that game? He couldn't do a thing. Kobe was hot and rode it for an entire game. I don't understand why you Jordan stans are so.. offended.. that he rode a hot hand. Just sit back and be entertained.
[QUOTE=Money 23]
I've never seen Kobe go off in legendary mode for epic memorable games in the playoffs or against elite competition like Mike did when expected. Kobe if anything usually underperforms and disappoints in those game.
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Guess you haven't paying attention then.
[QUOTE=chazzy]And just lol at this. Just because you've stopped watching the NBA since your boy retired, doesn't mean these games haven't happened.[/quote]
Son, I've seen Kobe's career come and go.
I was on the boards rooting for him time and time again ... believe me I'm objective when it comes to Kobe.
And watched him disappoint over and over in the playoffs and Finals. The most memorable Kobe games from the playoffs were his 48 v.s. the Nuggets in the 1st round in 2008, and his 50 against Phoenix in game 6 in 2006.
That's it. He just hasn't had many solo legendary games in the playoffs. Kobe / Laker stans still clinging to a self indulgent regular season game from 2006. It's pathetic.
[QUOTE=Money 23]Son, I've seen Kobe's career come and go.
I was on the boards rooting for him time and time again (Samurai Swoosh) ... believe me I'm objective when it comes to Kobe.
And watched him disappoint over and over in the playoffs and Finals. The most memorable Kobe games from the playoffs were his 48 v.s. the Nuggets in the 1st round in 2008, and his 50 against Phoenix in game 6 in 2006.
That's it. He just hasn't had many solo legendary games in the playoffs. Kobe / Laker stans still clinging to a self indulgent regular season game from 2006. It's pathetic.[/QUOTE]
Oh I didn't know you were Sam Swoosh. You have an angrier tone on this account :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Heavincent]Guess you haven't paying attention then.[/QUOTE]
The only individual [B]legendary[/B] games that immediately come to mind in recent history are as follows.
LeBron v.s. Boston ECF game 6 (2012) ... entire reputation on the line, immence hate and a country wanting you to fail. RISES above.
LeBron v.s. Detroit (2007)
Kobe's had some good ones ... his game 6 v.s. Denver (2009), game 1 v.s. Magic (Finals 2009), his 3rd quarter game 5 v.s. Boston (Finals 2010)
But please son, nothing legendary. Don't try to school me I was there to watch it all, and I've forgot more ball than you ever thought of man.