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Wasn't Jordan's FT% in '98 hurt by some injury on his shooting hand? Normally he was an 83-85% shooter, using one season doesn't mean anything when the career % indicates otherwise. FT% normally is a very good indicator of midrange ability.

If LeBron has a better shooting % from certain spots on the floor, it's because the defense WANTS him to shoot those shots, instead of breaking down the defense (plus around the league it's seen as his weak spot), so they literally offer him good looks. His jumpshot has been good since '09 season but lol @ thinking he's as good a shooter as Kobe. He's not defended like Kobe is on midrange shots, nor does he take the type of shots Kobe does on a regular basis. LeBron looks like a scrub when teams play zone and he's forced to catch and shoot.

[QUOTE=catch24]Almost as believable as the non-difference in airspace Kobe and LeBron get with their jumpshots :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
I repeat ... IG is a Bulls fan.

I'm just trying to convince you guys of what we all know to be true.

[QUOTE=catch24]No, it's not. It evens out as far as percentages go.[/quote]

It evens out as far as acual NUMBERS go, but Kobe's supposedly guarded SOOOO differently that we should ignore all numbers, and instantly regard him as far better than LeBron? GTFOH. Why don't you just suck it up and admit that whatever the difference between Kobe and LeBron is, it's pretty minimal?

[quote]Nope, significant. a 1.5% difference is about 80+ shots a season.[/quote]

A difference of 1 extra FGA per game is meaningless. Bottom line is this, when Kobe and LeBron take the same amount of shots, Kobe only ends up taking 4.5% more shots from 10-23 feet than LeBron. In other words, if both average 20 FGA in a season, Kobe will end up attempting only 1 more shot from 10-23 feet than LeBron. That's NOTHING.

[quote]Watch the games.[/quote]

Oh I absolutely do watch the games. You're welcome to find me clips of team's supposedly guarding LeBron differently than Kobe this past season. Go ahead.

[quote]Of course it's relevant. We don't have their exact percentages from every aspect of the floor, so, I can't [I]just[/I] use FT%.[/quote]

You're such a coward that you couldn't even take an educated assumption to apply the same logic to MJ/T-Mac/Kobe that you did to Kobe/LeBron. A coward afraid of being exposed.

[quote]a better FT shooter (midrange) is a better shooter, period.[/quote]

I'm willing to agree with this, as long as it's established that FT% alone doesn't make a player "way", "far" or "easily" better than someone else.

[quote]You base this off athleticism[/quote]

I blame LeBron's athletic regression on his size, not on mileage. So no, Kobe's mileage is not relevant here. Get the **** over this already. You're going nowhere.

[quote]Then what does it have to do with?[/quote]

His weight gain, dumbass. His weight gain. How many ****ing times do I have to tell you this?

[QUOTE=catch24]Lets not forget Indian-Idiot posted this a few weeks ago[/QUOTE]

Uhh, way to conveniently ignore I was talking about pre-Heat LeBron. Post the link to that thread. You'll see that I was talking about 03-10 LeBron, who could indeed face up and blow past anyone from the top of the key with a live dribble. He doesn't possess that ability anymore.

[QUOTE=Indian guy]Uhh, way to conveniently ignore I was talking about pre-Heat LeBron. Post the link to that thread. [B]You'll see that I was talking about 03-10 LeBron, who could indeed face up and blow past anyone from the top of the [/B]key with a live dribble. He doesn't possess that ability anymore.[/QUOTE]

just isn't true. I was pointing that out in game threads throughout Bron's time in Cleveland. One on one off a live dribble he was never anything special.

[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]just isn't true. I was pointing that out in game threads throughout Bron's time in Cleveland. One on one off a live dribble he was never anything special.[/QUOTE]
Yes, he was ...

[QUOTE=Indian guy]It evens out as far as acual NUMBERS go, but Kobe's supposedly guarded SOOOO differently[/quote]

It's not a matter of "supposedly"... It's reality. Kobe doesn't get the same amount of air space as LeBron when it pertains to basic-shooting.

You're too much of an idiot to continue this back and forth.

[quote]A difference of 1 extra FGA per game is meaningless. Bottom line is this, when Kobe and LeBron take the same amount of shots, Kobe only ends up taking 4.5% more shots from 10-23 feet than LeBron. In other words, if both average 20 FGA in a season, Kobe will end up attempting only 1 more shot from 10-23 feet than LeBron. That's NOTHING.[/quote]

No, it's not. Again 1.5 FGA more is approximately 80 more shots a season... Deal with reality. 4.5% more shots from 10-23 feet is not "only". It's very significant as I've pointed out. Are you honestly this stupid to ignore a 4.5% difference over the course of an 82 game season?

:roll:

[quote]Oh I absolutely do watch the games.[/quote]

It's not about finding clips dummy. It's what it is. You're the only one who believes your BS; what does that tell you?

[quote]You're such a coward that you couldn't even take an educated assumption to apply the same logic to MJ/T-Mac/Kobe that you did to Kobe/LeBron. A coward afraid of being exposed.[/quote]

And you're a tiny dumpster diver who's brain is half passed dead. A hypothetical scenario is irrelevant considering we don't have accurate (or any) data for their actual shooting %'s. It's not the same thing as a Kobe/LeBron comparison where we do have the data, and FT% is being applied as the "tiebreaker" so to speak.

[quote]I'm willing to agree with this, as long as it's established that FT% alone doesn't make a player "way", "far" or "easily" better than someone else.[/quote]

Given the volume, defensive attention and FT% is why Kobe is better. Comprehension - use it.


[quote]I blame LeBron's athletic regression on his size, not on mileage. So no, Kobe's mileage is not relevant here. Get the **** over this already. You're going nowhere.[/quote]

Which is part of his athletic build, thus he has regressed. Most players that get older aren't in the same shape they used to be. Reality.

Indianguy getting picked apart, resorts to turtle tactic haha its over.

[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]He's about as much of a Bulls fan as DMavs is a Mavericks fan/Gyno is a Spurs fan.[/QUOTE]

Gyno was never a spurs fan. He never said anything of the sort.

I think Kobe and Bronzy are about the same in shooting Bronzy, actually brought his shooting up. I think it's a confidence thing/playing with Wade also impacts it. But he brought it up no doubt.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Gyno was never a spurs fan. He never said anything of the sort.[/QUOTE]
:roll:

[QUOTE=Jacks3]:roll:[/QUOTE]

Find a post with him talking about anything more than respecting Duncan, Pop, and the Spurs organization.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Gyno was never a spurs fan. He never said anything of the sort.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Find a post with him talking about anything more than respecting Duncan, Pop, and the Spurs organization.[/QUOTE]

What's up with this 3rd person stuff, bro? lol

[QUOTE=Jacks3]:roll:[/QUOTE]

he wasn't.