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[QUOTE=Baller789;14579504]It would be nice if you actually provided proper rebuttals to his arguments.[/QUOTE]
Going back and looking, I actually meant can you make a stats argument for James over Jordan. Because all 3ball did, was pick the stats that favored MJ. A Lebron James fan could do the same thing.
[QUOTE=FKAri;14579437]You mean Jokic? Hey isn't that the guy that uppercutted Kawhy on the chin with his dicc and put him on the IL?[/QUOTE]
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As you can see, regular season is meaningless, aka 94' Sonics, 07' Mavs, 09' Cavs, 16' Warriors, to name a few
The 94' Bulls won 55 (an extremely common achievement) with a 22 ppg system player and then a rebounder at 2nd option, so they didn't win based on talent - they won based on 3-peat chemistry and dynasty brand of ball.. .
But after the honeymoon period of low expectations was over in the 94' Playoffs, the REAL bulls without MJ were lottery in 95' before MJ lifted them to 3-peat again
[QUOTE=3ba11;14579775]As you can see, regular season is meaningless, aka 94' Sonics, 07' Mavs, 09' Cavs, 16' Warriors, to name a few
The 94' Bulls won 55 (an extremely common achievement) with a 22 ppg system player and then a rebounder at 2nd option, so they didn't win based on talent - they won based on 3-peat chemistry and dynasty brand of ball.. .
But after the honeymoon period of low expectations was over in the 94' Playoffs, the REAL bulls without MJ were lottery in 95' before MJ lifted them to 3-peat again[/QUOTE]
Horace Grant left Chicago for the 95 season. Had he stayed, the Bulls would have won 50+ again. You act like the 95 team wasn't missing a key member of the 94 team.
[QUOTE=Phoenix;14579779]Horace Grant left Chicago for the 95 season. Had he stayed, the Bulls would have won 50+ again. You act like the 95 team wasn't missing a key member of the 94 team.[/QUOTE]
HOF Kukoc > Horace
He was the only other go-to player on the bulls outside of MJ, while also being 1st option in the 2nd half or clutch outside of MJ
Ultimately, 93' MJ never had Kukoc, Kerr, Longley, or Scott Williams, so Pippen's cast was better - who cares about Horace - Shaq/Penny couldn't win with Horace in 95' just like Robinson couldn't win with Rodman - only MJ could win with those bums (3-peat)
[QUOTE=3ba11;14579783]HOF Kukoc > Horace
He was the only other go-to player on the bulls outside of MJ, while also being 1st option in the 2nd half or clutch outside of MJ
Ultimately, 93' MJ never had Kukoc, Kerr, Longley, or Scott Williams, so Pippen's cast was better - who cares about Horace - Shaq/Penny couldn't win with Horace in 95' just like Robinson couldn't win with Rodman - only MJ could win with those bums (3-peat)[/QUOTE]
But Kukoc isn't yout prototypical big. He's a tall wing player.
And you hurt your own argument. Jordan was also on that 95 team with the mighty Kukoc and Pippen. The Bulls didn't even get to the ECF. That's why they went out and got Rodman. They needed another guy that could do the dirty work that Grant used to do. You cant profess to be a person that played basketball at such a level as high as college. And boast that you're 6'7 and not have that understanding.
93 MJ had Pippen and Grant. Paxson was the first 3pt Bulls Kerr. Cartwright was Longley, and Scott Williams was on the 93 Bulls. The Bulls also had Trent Tucker in 93.
And winning 55 games in a season is not common. Typically, about 4 or 5 teams do it a year. Which is impressive in a 30 team league.
The San Antonio Spurs were one of the worse teams in the league when Robinson went down. That's how they got Duncan. A part of me really believes you're a Jordan hater. You don't represent your case well at all. In fact, you argue against yourself. Case and point your David Robinson example. The Spurs won 62 games in 96. The next year when Robinson got hurt? 20.
[QUOTE=3ba11;14579783][B]HOF Kukoc > Horace[/B]
He was the only other go-to player on the bulls outside of MJ, while also being 1st option in the 2nd half or clutch outside of MJ
Ultimately, 93' MJ never had Kukoc, Kerr, Longley, or Scott Williams, so Pippen's cast was better - who cares about Horace - Shaq/Penny couldn't win with Horace in 95' just like Robinson couldn't win with Rodman - only MJ could win with those bums (3-peat)[/QUOTE]
Both were on the 94 team. And they're a completely different type of player.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14579794]Both were on the 94 team. And they're a completely different type of player.[/QUOTE]
Jordan had Kukoc and Pippen in 95. And didn't get it done. I understand why. But 3balls arguments are dumb.
[QUOTE=FKAri;14579437]You mean Jokic? Hey isn't that the guy that uppercutted Kawhy on the chin with his dicc and put him on the IL?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14579794]Both were on the 94 team. And they're a completely different type of player.[/QUOTE]
93' MJ never had Kukoc, Kerr, Longley, or Scott Williams, so Pippen's cast was better - who cares about Horace - Shaq/Penny couldn't win with Horace in 95' just like Robinson couldn't win with Rodman - only MJ could win with those bums (3-peat)
95' Jordan lost because he was coming back from baseball.. He won the 98' Playoffs with Kukoc as starting PF
[QUOTE=3ba11;14579812]93' MJ never had Kukoc, Kerr, Longley, or Scott Williams, so Pippen's cast was better - who cares about Horace - Shaq/Penny couldn't win with Horace in 95' just like Robinson couldn't win with Rodman - only MJ could win with those bums (3-peat)[QUOTE][/QUOTE]
MJ had Kukoc and Pippen in 95.
95' Jordan lost because he was coming back from baseball.. He won the 98' Playoffs with Kukoc as starting PF[/QUOTE]
But Jordan had Rodman in 98. If Kukoc was the one checking Malone, Malone would've had an alltime great series.
[QUOTE=97 bulls;14579824]But Jordan had Rodman in 98. If Kukoc was thr one checking Malone, Malone would've had an alltime great series.[/QUOTE]
Malone averaged 25/11/4 on 50%, while Kukoc started every game (37 mpg) - he had several games at 42 minutes as the go-to 2nd option.
Otoh, Rodman did spot duty as the bench player that barely played 20 minutes in some of the wins.
[I]Anyone could've replaced 36-year Rodman's 3/8 as the backup to Kukoc, so come off the bs.. The 97' and 98' Bulls won [U]in spite[/U] of Rodman - no one else could win playing 4 on 5 offensively like that - Rodman wouldn't be playable in any Lebron lineups except maybe the 13' Heat (sufficient scoring help) and he could NEVER start[/I]
[QUOTE=3ba11;14579832]Malone averaged 25/11/4 on 50%, while Kukoc started every game (37 mpg) - he had several games at 42 minutes as the go-to 2nd option.
Otoh, Rodman did spot duty as the bench player that barely played 20 minutes in some of the wins.
[I]Anyone could've replaced 36-year Rodman's 3/8 as the backup to Kukoc, so come off the bs.. The 97' and 98' Bulls won [U]in spite[/U] of Rodman - no one else could win playing 4 on 5 offensively like that - Rodman wouldn't be playable in any Lebron lineups except maybe the 13' Heat (sufficient scoring help) and he could NEVER start[/I][/QUOTE]
When your opponent only scores 54 total points in a game.... players on both sides are going to play less minutes.
Thanks for the lesson Retardo Montalban
[QUOTE=3ba11;14579783]HOF Kukoc > Horace
He was the only other go-to player on the bulls outside of MJ, while also being 1st option in the 2nd half or clutch outside of MJ
Ultimately, 93' MJ never had Kukoc, Kerr, Longley, or Scott Williams, so Pippen's cast was better - [B]who cares about Horace - Shaq/Penny couldn't win with Horace in 95[/B]' just like Robinson couldn't win with Rodman - only MJ could win with those bums (3-peat)[/QUOTE]
Shaq and Penny wouldn't have won with Kukoc at the 4 in place of Horace so irrelevant point. One of the major reasons the Bulls lost in 95 was because they were paper thin up-front. Horace provided interior defense and rebounding, two components that the 95 Bulls didn't have and got exposed in the playoffs. For the record, Kukoc never had a playoff series better than the 18/11 Horace hung on the Bulls, as compared to Toni's 12/7.