2023 off-season

[url]https://sircharlesincharge.com/2023/08/20/nba-predicting-jersey-retired-teams/15/[/url]
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[h=3]Utah Jazz – Rudy Gobert, #0[/h] Who has the most win shares in Utah Jazz history after Karl Malone and John Stockton? Rudy Gobert.
The French big man spent nine seasons in Salt Lake City. Gobert was a three-time NBA All-Star and three-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year while a member of the Jazz.

He played in 611 games in a Jazz Uniform and averaged 12.5 points, 11.6 rebounds, and 2.2 blocks per game.
[I][B]Other Players in Consideration:[/B] Andrei Kirilenko, Gordon Hayward, Donovan Mitchell[/I]

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should get a statue. Deron should be next though. The others shouldn't go up

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2023/08/14/4-legendary-utah-jazz-players-with-a-case-to-be-in-the-hall-of-fame/5/[/url]

none if them should but it is the basketball HOF

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Exum is really the best they have?

[url]https://saltcityhoops.com/athletic-ranking-features-three-jazz-bigs-but-omits-a-dynamic-guard/[/url]

[QUOTE]To be fair, The Athletic’s ranking is based on what they are projecting for the upcoming season, so perhaps Partnow thinks this season will be a step back for Clarkson due to the addition of Collins, and maybe the expected rise in usage from other young players. Or, maybe they are heavily influenced by analytics, which have not always shown Clarkson in the brightest of lights. All thaty said, as someone who has watched nearly every game that Clarkson has played for the Jazz, he is certainly one of the top 125 players in the NBA.

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one of the worst I've ever seen

[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2023/8/25/23842452/which-jersey-numbers-should-actually-be-retired-for-the-utah-jazz[/url]

[QUOTE]I’ve decided to analyze these debates in regards to the Jazz players. We all agree that Jerry Sloan, Hot Rod Hundley, Frank Laydon, and Larry Miller deserve to be honored for their time with the Jazz. That said, they should all probably be more like Hundley’s, which doesn’t keep a valid jersey number retired. As for the players, I’ll look at a couple of questions. Are there players currently honored that might not deserve it? Are there players that should have their numbers retired but haven’t?

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Only be Hot Rod if it was up to me.

[QUOTE]Outside of “The Statues,” the other players that stand out in this category are Jeff Hornacek, Mark Eaton, and Thurl Bailey. Hornacek didn’t play as many games for the Jazz as some of the other players on the list, but he was a key contributor to Utah’s most dominant years, and his win totals reflect that. Eaton played the third most games for the Jazz. Bailey played a lot of games and won a lot, too.

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None should be in the rafters

[QUOTE]Darrell Griffith, Andrei Kirilenko, and Rudy Gobert also made decent contributions here but far beneath the levels of the others mentioned. The big standouts to me are the players with the worst showings in team success. Adrian Dantley and Pete Maravich. Both players have their numbers retired, and their accolades and accomplishments will show why, but they struggled in this category. Maravich’s stats include New Orleans and Utah, as it is the same franchise. Despite his statistical dominance, Maravich never made the playoffs with the Jazz. Those teams were frequent under-performers, and it resulted in a sale of the franchise. Dantley took over as the new star with flashy stats but few wins. He did manage to get the Jazz to the playoffs in some of his last seasons with Utah but never made much of a postseason splash.

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Gobert is #3 for the Jazz. It's not close. A,D. is a HOFer that started their playoff run. Maravich also a HOFer. Griffith shouldn't be up there

[QUOTE][B]Retired numbers based purely on team success and longevity: [/B]

Definitely: Karl Malone, John Stockton
Likely: Jeff Hornacek, Mark Eaton, Thurl Bailey
Unlikely: Rudy Gobert, Darrell Griffith, Andrei Kirilenko
Definitely not: Adrian Dantley, Pete Maravich, Deron Williams, Donovan Mitchell

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:roll:

[QUOTE]Mark Eaton also has an impressive resume with DPOY awards and All-Defense selections, but his one All-Star team is a small number for this group. Deron Williams had an incredible peak for the Jazz, with two All-Star games and two All-NBA team honors, but his lack of longevity with Utah hurts him again. Donovan Mitchell made three All-Star teams with the Jazz and got a Rookie of the Year award, but he was never an All-NBA player for Utah. Andrei Kirilenko made one All-Star game and had a few All-defense selections but didn’t maintain star-level play for long.

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Deron was their best player

[QUOTE][B]Retired numbers based purely on accolades: [/B]

Definitely: Karl Malone, John Stockton
Likely: Adrian Dantley, Pete Maravich, Rudy Gobert
Unlikely: Mark Eaton, Deron Williams, Donovan Mitchell, Andrei Kirilenko

Definitely not: Jeff Hornacek, Darrell Griffith, Thurl Bailey

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got it except I'd probably include Deron

[QUOTE]After the two greatest players in Jazz history, it’s a mess. Some players had more playoff success, some had more awards, and some had better stats. Using these three categories, only one player was twice in the “likely” category and never in the “definitely not” category. That player is Rudy Gobert. Gobert checks the boxes of playing enough games, winning enough, racking up accolades, and climbing the statistical leaderboards. Gobert is the third most deserving player to have his jersey retired. Since he’s still playing, it will be a while until we know if he’ll get his jersey up there, but based on these comparisons, he should.

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you got it! Should have gotten a statue too

[QUOTE]The other players to make the “likely” category at least once include Bailey, Kirilenko, Dantley, Maravich, Hornacek, and Eaton. Each has a case, but not a rock-solid one. Hornacek was the third-best player on the best Jazz teams but never a star. Bailey had the longevity and the statistical ranks but was more of a role player. Kirilenko’s stats are impressive, but his peak was too short. Maravich and Dantley have the accolades but not the wins. Eaton has a little bit of everything but not a lot of any one category.

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Dantley took the worst franchise in the league from 30 wins to 45 and the division title to start their long playoff streak :facepalm

[QUOTE]That leaves Griffith, Williams, and Mitchell as the only ones not to make it to “likely” in any of the three categories. They are the first cuts. One has to wonder why Griffith’s jersey was retired in the first place. While he was an exciting rookie for the team, he wasn’t a real star at any point in his career, and he never led the team to many wins. Williams and Mitchell were another case. Both were on track to see their jerseys hanging from the top of the Delta Center, but they didn’t have enough time to make it happen.

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Griffith put up all star numbers before holding out and never getting his job back as payment. Guess they felt they owed him after that shit? Mitchell will be there I'm sure. Deron should be

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2023/08/29/surprise-surprise-danny-ainge-tops-his-own-sabermetrics-system/[/url]

[QUOTE]One would argue that his all-star ascension is more impressive than Walker Kessler, the key piece of the Gobert trade. So why the Gobert trade is considered a home run, but the Mitchell isn’t, when they happened at just about the same time is baffling.

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Jazz would have been contenders last year if they'd just made the Mitchell trade

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2023/08/28/the-utah-jazz-knew-they-made-the-right-call-trading-rudy-gobert-but-the-2023-fiba-world-cup-hasnt-hurt/[/url]

[QUOTE]And it’s that downfall from Gobert that has everyone happy that the Utah Jazz traded him when they did. After the season he had with the Timberwolves in 2022-2023, and the issues he’s had in the FIBA World Cup, it’s clear that while Gobert is still an NBA starter, he’s no longer an elite player.

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not convinced yet. His numbers were down last year after being at the top of his game the year before. Is that because he's dropped off or because he was on another team?

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2023/08/25/utah-jazz-history-revised-what-if-2007-playoffs/[/url]

[QUOTE]Did the Jazz miss a golden opportunity in 2007 to win the NBA title? It certainly seems like the stars aligned a bit for that playoff run. If they could have beaten San Antonio, they would have had a chance.[/QUOTE]

4-1 :facepalm

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2023/08/25/the-utah-jazz-are-named-as-a-team-with-a-sneakily-good-offseason/[/url]

[QUOTE]The Jazz did a great job bringing back key guys who could be huge for them. Kris Dunn, Luka Samanic, Johnny Juzang, and others give this team depth in a very quiet and deceptive way. This is not a squad to sleep on and we are very happy to see others wake up to see how good the Jazz’s offseason was.[/QUOTE]

Juzang? :facepalm

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2023/08/24/bleacher-reports-wild-lineup-isnt-wild-so-much-as-its-bad/[/url]

[QUOTE]Samanic is not some one-note big-man like guys from the 1990s. He’s someone who has good handling for a man his size, and shockingly good court vision. When you give him 25-30 minutes per game, Samanic, while working in the post more nights than not, will average anywhere from 2.5 to 4 assists per game.

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when did he show any of this? :lol

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2023/08/24/dominique-wilkins-explains-why-he-didnt-want-to-go-to-the-utah-jazz/[/url]
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This was a bad break for the Jazz. The ’82 draft wasn’t deep and only had three real “prizes” in it, and they went first through third. So the Jazz didn’t have another option. That said, they could’ve gotten far more for Wilkins, like a first-round draft pick.

Heck, even an Atlanta second-rounder may have netted them someone like Doc Rivers in ’83. Say what you will about him as a coach, he was an All-Star caliber player. The lack of foresight in trading away Wilkins will forever be one of the few big mistakes the franchise has made.[/QUOTE]

wouldn't have wanted either!

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2023/08/24/the-number-one-trade-by-the-utah-jazz-comes-as-a-bit-of-a-surprise/[/url]

[QUOTE]Dantley didn’t carry the Jazz to an NBA Championship, so it’s fair to say his trade was limited in its scope. The trades for Gobert and Mitchell not only brought two huge talents to Utah but also will now allow them to shape their destiny over the next decade in any way they see fit.

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The franchise might have never won and they likely wouldn't be in Utah without A.D. :facepalm

[QUOTE]Dantley’s run with the franchise was spectacular, but when his time with the franchise ended, they were left worse off. That’s not the case with Mitchell and Gobert, at least comparatively. Already Walker Kessler (Gobert trade) and Lauri Markkanen (Mitchell trade) have exceeded anything Dantley brought back in return.

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Remains to be seen how much it helps them getting rid of Gobert. They were worse. Jazz got better after A'D. because of Stockton/Malone

[url]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10086415-trade-ideas-for-likeliest-nba-buyers-and-sellers-this-season[/url]

awful

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2023/08/22/better-jazz-career-donovan-mitchell-gordon-hayward/[/url]

Hayward. Not close

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