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[QUOTE=dankok8;14937322]Taking bad shots is not a positive but Kobe won't need to carry a big offensive load or take tough shots on this team. He'll shoot when he's open or exploit mismatches and take bad defenders to school. And of course he'll be able to focus a lot on defense.[/QUOTE]
He didn't need to take tough shots when he played with Shaq either. But he did. You're pretending he wouldn't take idiotic shots on your team, but we all know he would. That's just how he played. I once saw him pass up an open 3 and pump fake until he drew the defender close at which point he took a contested 3.

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[QUOTE=RRR3;14937324]He didn't need to take tough shots when he played with Shaq either. But he did. You're pretending he wouldn't take idiotic shots on your team, but we all know he would. That's just how he played. I once saw him pass up an open 3 and pump fake until he drew the defender close at which point he took a contested 3.[/QUOTE]
He also took tough shots and shot 47% on the redeem team while Lebron and Wade shot 60 and 67% respectively. Melo took bad shots too and barely shot 40% that run. For some players it’s just in their dna to take those looks. Kobe isn’t going to stop because he’s on a super team, we’ve seen it quite a few times.

[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14937328]He also took tough shots and shot 47% on the redeem team while Lebron and Wade shot 60 and 67% respectively. Melo took bad shots too and barely shot 40% that run. For some players it’s just in their dna to take those looks. Kobe isn’t going to stop because he’s on a super team, we’ve seen it quite a few times.[/QUOTE]
Yes, exactly. Plus it's pretty easy to bait Kobe into spamming midrange shots, and while he was undoubtedly deadly from there, teams will take that over 3s because the math is just not going to work. I'm not saying they'd leave Kobe open from midrange because they wouldn't but they'd try to get him to start jacking from there (and he would). Contested midrange shots, even from a guy as good at them as Kobe, isn't going to hold up that well against a modern offense. Or did no one watch the Suns this past playoffs? And they had far more 3PT shooting...

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Kobe just took the vast majority of his team's shots at the end of possessions. Ben Taylor tracked this. So some of Kobe's inefficiency was taking tough shots but a lot of it was "2 seconds left on the clock. I'm not letting Fish take this. I'm taking it." Which is actually good for the team because while it hurts Kobe's efficiency it helps his team's efficiency because role players suck at making pressure shots.

That's why the Lakers for all of the 2000's except the 2005-2007 period had really good offenses. If Kobe was hurting his team, the Lakers wouldn't have been so good offensively. LOL at comparing him to Melo. You guys are jokers.

Bailout shots from the primary option are hardly exclusive to Kobe. Who said he was hurting his team? His positives outweighed that negative, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a flaw.

[QUOTE=dankok8;14937336]Kobe just took the vast majority of his team's shots at the end of possessions. Ben Taylor tracked this. So some of Kobe's inefficiency was taking tough shots but a lot of it was "2 seconds left on the clock. I'm not letting Fish take this. I'm taking it." Which is actually good for the team because while it hurts Kobe's efficiency it helps his team's efficiency because role players suck at making pressure shots.

That's why the Lakers for all of the 2000's except the 2005-2007 period had really good offenses. If Kobe was hurting his team, the Lakers wouldn't have been so good offensively. LOL at comparing him to Melo. You guys are jokers.[/QUOTE]

Your takeaway is a Kobe to Melo comparisons? That’s incredibly obtuse. I was just giving examples of players who are prone to taking bad shots regardless of their teams.

So it looks to me the top ten undrafted players

So if someone wanted to field a team of undrafted players it would be

C - M.Malone (Gasol)
F - Webber (English)
F - Dantley (Hill)
G - Gervin (Drexler)
G - Isiah (Harden)

[QUOTE=John8204;14937344]So it looks to me the top ten undrafted players

So if someone wanted to field a team of undrafted players it would be

C - M.Malone (Gasol)
F - Webber (English)
F - Dantley (Hill)
G - Gervin (Drexler)
G - Isiah (Harden)[/QUOTE]
I could quite literally beat that team with Derrick White as my best player. Harden is your ONLY shooter. That team could easily not make a single 3 if Harden isn't on.

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To get the thread back on track, remaining picks are:

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DJMcDonald
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[QUOTE=RRR3;14937330]Yes, exactly. Plus it's pretty easy to bait Kobe into spamming midrange shots, and while he was undoubtedly deadly from there, teams will take that over 3s because the math is just not going to work. I'm not saying they'd leave Kobe open from midrange because they wouldn't but they'd try to get him to start jacking from there (and he would). Contested midrange shots, even from a guy as good at them as Kobe, isn't going to hold up that well against a modern offense. Or did no one watch the Suns this past playoffs? And they had far more 3PT shooting...[/QUOTE]

One of the biggest strengths KAJ, McHale and CP3 bring to the table is consistency. If the strategy is to avoid those wild swings in variance and put pressure on the other team by converting at a higher rate night after night. Wade fits that profile better than Bean. This is the issue more than lack of shooters.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14937339]Bailout shots from the primary option are hardly exclusive to Kobe. Who said he was hurting his team? His positives outweighed that negative, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a flaw.[/QUOTE]

Ok but it wasn't a major flaw. And most of the guys with higher rTS than Kobe were more conservative with their shots late in the shot clock.