Wow. I would take the current Kobe over the '84 Jordan. The current Kobe is more polished, that '84 Jordan was still raw.
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Wow. I would take the current Kobe over the '84 Jordan. The current Kobe is more polished, that '84 Jordan was still raw.
[QUOTE=Shep]my older brother use to watch games all the time and i remember always being around him, whatever he did i did, so i watched nba
yes
all the extra shots should've led to a better free throw ratio than his rookie season, especially considering he was a superstar from his third year
2000 kobe was a much better rebounder, passer, and defender, and he also took better care of the ball. the shooting percentages were basically the same, and the only real statistic he had on 2000 kobe was ppg. kobe bryant was still kobe bryant.
common sense
wow. you've just gone on record saying that the lakers would beat sacramento, portland, and indiana, all without kobe bryant in 2000. how do you feel? :roll:
argument? you never had an argument :roll:
2005 kobe was nowhere near the player he was in 2000
no, it shouldn't be held against kobe 2 of the 4 victories were blowout wins so kobe didn't have to average 45mpg to be competitive..scott skiles obviously thought he needed penny out there almost every minute of the game..even when he's going 1-9 :roll:
it does
who cares? kobe just won the series 4-1 you think he gives a **** about who scored more points throughout the whole 5 games? the suns just got dominated in an elimination game thanks in part to the woeful display put on by their second best player, a top 5 shooting guard in the nba.
i'm just beating you at your own game..simple
wait..you actually pronounce the "a" when saying "yeah"? no wonder you have no friends, you can't even ****in talk properly :roll:
no 'ship, no 67 wins
it was unlikely, but there would've been some very nervous laker fans before that game 5
:cry:
reggie miller was shut down in the finals by kobe. kobe held the league's second highest scorer allen iverson to 7-25 and 6-20 shooting in two regular season games for an average of 15.5ppg for 2 victories, down almost half of his 28.4ppg average..meanwhile the same iverson goes off for 40 on eddie jones and the charlotte hornets in a game 1 that set the tone for the rest of the series
:lol
we'll never know
no. rookie jordan had no range, therefore shaq would be clogging the lane for jordans pet move: the drive. kobe's outside game was the perfect match to shaq's inside game.[/QUOTE]
lol...unless you are extremely gifted ..you don't remember anything when you were 2
This is a joke right :wtf:
[QUOTE=Shep]
kobe's clutch game, defense, wins, and all-round smarts were all better than jordans[/QUOTE]
:roll: :lol :oldlol: :lol :oldlol: :roll: :roll: I can't stop laughing.Please tell another joke ur funny.
[QUOTE=Shep]
no. rookie jordan had no range, therefore shaq would be clogging the lane for jordans pet move: the drive. kobe's outside game was the perfect match to shaq's inside game.[/QUOTE]
:( This is the dumbest comment i have ever read in my life.No joke.:wtf:
Video spotlights a [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwyqE22CSyM&feature=PlayList&p=54E559C8CA83F25E&index=9"]game during MJ's rookie year[/URL].
He was an [I]athlete![/I] And he played defense even during his rookie year.
larry bird at the height of his powers said during the 84/85 season that michael jordon was the best player hes ever played against- that was mj as a rookie.
:roll: [QUOTE=Shep]all the extra shots should've led to a better free throw ratio than his rookie season, especially considering he was a superstar from his third year[/QUOTE]
No you f*cking idiot. The more shots you take, the more energy you use. The less energy you have, the harder it is to attack the rim and get to the line. Jordan took 8 more shots in 1987 than in his rookie season and he played 2 more minutes per game.
[QUOTE]2000 kobe was a much better rebounder, passer, and defender, and he also took better care of the ball. the shooting percentages were basically the same, and the only real statistic he had on 2000 kobe was ppg. kobe bryant was still kobe bryant.[/QUOTE]
Kobe averaged 13 more ppg in 2006 than he did in 2000. Kobe also carried a pretty sh*tty team to 45 wins and the playoffs.
[QUOTE]wow. you've just gone on record saying that the lakers would beat sacramento, portland, and indiana, all without kobe bryant in 2000. how do you feel? :roll:[/QUOTE]
Kobe wasn't even good for most of the Indiana series. :roll: 15.6 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 4.2 apg, 36.7 FG%
[QUOTE]2005 kobe was nowhere near the player he was in 2000[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE]no, it shouldn't be held against kobe 2 of the 4 victories were blowout wins so kobe didn't have to average 45mpg to be competitive..scott skiles obviously thought he needed penny out there almost every minute of the game..even when he's going 1-9 :roll: [/QUOTE]
That's because Penny didn't have the benfit of playing with by far the best player in the league.
[QUOTE]who cares? kobe just won the series 4-1 you think he gives a **** about who scored more points throughout the whole 5 games? the suns just got dominated in an elimination game thanks in part to the woeful display put on by their second best player, a top 5 shooting guard in the nba.[/QUOTE]
Once again Penny didn't have the benfit of playing with by far the best player in the league. Switch Penny and Kobe and the Lakers still win in 5 if not 4.
[QUOTE]i'm just beating you at your own game..simple[/QUOTE]
:roll: how? You haven't made any sense yet.
[QUOTE]no 'ship, no 67 wins[/QUOTE]
You base this on nothing. the team was 12-3 without Kobe when Shaq was in the lineup.
[QUOTE]reggie miller was shut down in the finals by kobe. kobe held the league's second highest scorer allen iverson to 7-25 and 6-20 shooting in two regular season games for an average of 15.5ppg for 2 victories, down almost half of his 28.4ppg average..meanwhile the same iverson goes off for 40 on eddie jones and the charlotte hornets in a game 1 that set the tone for the rest of the series[/QUOTE]
Iverson is known to be streaky. He can go off on any given night or he can shoot 7-25 on any given night. Iverson also dropped 48 on Kobe in the 2001 Finals. He can off against anyone.
[QUOTE]no. rookie jordan had no range, therefore shaq would be clogging the lane for jordans pet move: the drive. kobe's outside game was the perfect match to shaq's inside game.[/QUOTE]
:roll: Shaq wouldn't make Jordan worse. Man now you're really talking out of your ass.
[QUOTE]No you f*cking idiot. The more shots you take, the more energy you use. The less energy you have, the harder it is to attack the rim and get to the line. Jordan took 8 more shots in 1987 than in his rookie season and he played 2 more minutes per game.[/QUOTE]
jordan was also a top 3 player in the nba in 1987, so he would be getting alot more superstar calls. more shots + more superstar calls = more free throws
[QUOTE]Kobe averaged 13 more ppg in 2006 than he did in 2000. Kobe also carried a pretty sh*tty team to 45 wins and the playoffs.[/QUOTE]
the increase of 13ppg was due to him having that same "pretty sh*tty team". lamar odom was a very good second option with his nightly 15/9/6/1/1.
[QUOTE]Kobe wasn't even good for most of the Indiana series. 15.6 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 4.2 apg, 36.7 FG%[/QUOTE]
stopping the other teams most dangerous offensive option isn't good to you? :roll: not to mention he played half of that series injured, and came up huge when that fat guy fouled out. kobe brings alot more than stats anyway, if you actually watched the 2000 playoffs you'd know this.
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[QUOTE]That's because Penny didn't have the benfit of playing with by far the best player in the league. [/QUOTE]
so he should've averaged alot more than what he did, especially playing with a top 2 point guard
[QUOTE]Once again Penny didn't have the benfit of playing with by far the best player in the league. Switch Penny and Kobe and the Lakers still win in 5 if not 4.[/QUOTE]
heresay bs. switch kobe with penny and shaq injures his left pinky and sits out the rest of the year while kobe leads the suns past the lakers.
[QUOTE] how? You haven't made any sense yet.[/QUOTE]
:roll: read from my first post on
[QUOTE]You base this on nothing. the team was 12-3 without Kobe when Shaq was in the lineup.[/QUOTE]
how far does 12 wins get you? the first draft pick?
[QUOTE]Iverson is known to be streaky. He can go off on any given night or he can shoot 7-25 on any given night.[/QUOTE]
:lol more excuses. i give you facts, you give excuses.
[QUOTE]Iverson also dropped 48 on Kobe in the 2001 Finals. He can off against anyone.[/QUOTE]
:roll: more proof you haven't seen a game of nba basketball in your life. kobe was guarded by derek fisher and ty lue you dumb ****
[QUOTE]Shaq wouldn't make Jordan worse. Man now you're really talking out of your ass.[/QUOTE]
jordan was a guard who had no range, shaq was a center who had no range. yes the team would win more games if it had shaq but rookie jordan would not be better statistically
[QUOTE=Shep]jordan was also a top 3 player in the nba in 1987, so he would be getting alot more superstar calls. more shots + more superstar calls = more free throws
the increase of 13ppg was due to him having that same "pretty sh*tty team". lamar odom was a very good second option with his nightly 15/9/6/1/1.
stopping the other teams most dangerous offensive option isn't good to you? :roll: not to mention he played half of that series injured, and came up huge when that fat guy fouled out. kobe brings alot more than stats anyway, if you actually watched the 2000 playoffs you'd know this.
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so he should've averaged alot more than what he did, especially playing with a top 2 point guard
heresay bs. switch kobe with penny and shaq injures his left pinky and sits out the rest of the year while kobe leads the suns past the lakers.
:roll: read from my first post on
how far does 12 wins get you? the first draft pick?
:lol more excuses. i give you facts, you give excuses.
:roll: more proof you haven't seen a game of nba basketball in your life. kobe was guarded by derek fisher and ty lue you dumb ****
jordan was a guard who had no range, shaq was a center who had no range. yes the team would win more games if it had shaq but rookie jordan would not be better statistically[/QUOTE]
LOl no range MJ could shoot from 20ft has a rookie retard and how does dwade who can't shoot like mj play with shaq then.ur a fing retard.u make lakers fans look dumb(even tho most of them are dumb)
[QUOTE=Da_Realist]Video spotlights a [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwyqE22CSyM&feature=PlayList&p=54E559C8CA83F25E&index=9"]game during MJ's rookie year[/URL].
He was an [I]athlete![/I] And he played defense even during his rookie year.[/QUOTE]
look ho3w far he took off from whilt doing rock the craddle:eek: :wtf: :wtf: :bowdown:
[QUOTE=Shep]jordan was also a top 3 player in the nba in 1987, so he would be getting alot more superstar calls. more shots + more superstar calls = more free throws[/QUOTE]
You're an idiot. Don't underestimate how much energy it takes to shoot an additional 8 shots every night and play an additional 2 minutes.
[QUOTE]the increase of 13ppg was due to him having that same "pretty sh*tty team". lamar odom was a very good second option with his nightly 15/9/6/1/1.[/QUOTE]
:roll: A 22.5 ppg scorer doesn't because anywhere near a 35.4 ppg scorer just by switching roles. Don't forget Kobe was a MUCH better 3 point shooter and much stronger in 2006.
[QUOTE]stopping the other teams most dangerous offensive option isn't good to you? :roll: not to mention he played half of that series injured, and came up huge when that fat guy fouled out. kobe brings alot more than stats anyway, if you actually watched the 2000 playoffs you'd know this.[/QUOTE]
I did watch the 2000 playoffs. One of many reasons I'm such a hug Shaq fan today. Kobe had 2 good games in the entire series. Game 1 and Game 4.
[QUOTE]so he should've averaged alot more than what he did, especially playing with a top 2 point guard[/QUOTE]
I posted the stats for the series, you can't expect a player who averaged 16, 6 and 5 to average much more than thta in a series.
[QUOTE]heresay bs. switch kobe with penny and shaq injures his left pinky and sits out the rest of the year while kobe leads the suns past the lakers.[/QUOTE]
:roll: What? Shaq carried the Lakers when kobe was injured. A 12-3 record sound familiar? And that was to start the season so the momentum from that start was very important. Your comment didn't make sense.
[QUOTE]how far does 12 wins get you? the first draft pick?[/QUOTE]
How far does an 80 winning % get you? 66 wins.
[QUOTE]:lol more excuses. i give you facts, you give excuses.[/QUOTE]
Not one fact yet.
[QUOTE]:roll: more proof you haven't seen a game of nba basketball in your life. kobe was guarded by derek fisher and ty lue you dumb ****[/QUOTE]
You f*cking idiot. They switched on and off but Kobe guarded Iverson quite a bit in the 2001 Finals. When Iverson was torching Kobe and Fisher they tried Lue on him which worked for a while. Iverson went cold in the 4th quarter.
[QUOTE]jordan was a guard who had no range, shaq was a center who had no range. yes the team would win more games if it had shaq but rookie jordan would not be better statistically[/QUOTE]
Once again as another poster pointed out look at Wade and Shaq in Shaq's first 2 seasons. That worked pretty well didn't it?
Give it up the other posters in this thread are laughing at your stupidity.
Kobe
[quote]Shep[/quote]:roll:
Interesting question, and of course it goes to Bryant. But of course you have to go with Bryant if you dont want to discredit Kobe vs Jordan completely.