The Bulls will regret their decision if they draft Rose over Beasley

[QUOTE=Smoke117][B]2011 Wade >> 2011 Rose[/B]. People can say whatever they want offensively for whoever, but Wade was the best TWO WAY GUARD in the league and a much better defensive player than Rose in 2011.[/QUOTE]

wade 21.4 points and 4.1 assists (7-12)

rose 26.9 points and 6.7 assists (12-6)

wades defense is really effective as you can tell by their record

[QUOTE=Smoke117]2011 Wade >> 2011 Rose. People can say whatever they want offensively for whoever, but Wade was the best TWO WAY GUARD in the league and a much better defensive player than Rose in 2011.[/QUOTE]
So all the guys who scored more than Dirk in 2011 were better than him??? And isn't Dirk considered a top PF despite not being a two way player? You have totally dismissed impact.

wade's defense is so overrated.. a few highlight shot blocks and staredowns will do that for him. He didnt have great impact defensively.. according to rapms hes 10x more valuable offensively than he is defensively.

And rose did more offensively given his situation and teamthan wade did..especially in the RS when his guys were out, and on gamewinners/closing against top teams when the heat shot like 10% on them all year with wade completely conceding the 'closer' role to lebron in their very first year together

[QUOTE=Pointguard][B]So all the guys who scored more than Dirk in 2011 were better than him??? [/B]And isn't Dirk considered a top PF despite not being a two way player? You have totally dismissed impact.[/QUOTE]


What does Dirk have to do with anything?

I like Rose as a player, but what exactly does he do better than Wade? 3 point shooting? Besides that, Wade is better at literally every aspect of basketball.

[QUOTE=GrapeApe]I like Rose as a player, but what exactly does he do better than Wade? 3 point shooting? Besides that, Wade is better at literally every aspect of basketball.[/QUOTE]

I dont think anyones arguing about their general attributes as players.. theyre arguing about what they actually DID.. in that specific year.. Rose was better. Dwight Howard may have been infinitely more impactful than dirk in 2011 if you look at their contributions to scoring, rebound, and defending as a whole, but Dirk performed better, no question.

If a player that normally shoots 10% on gamewinners has a year where he shoots 8/10 and a normally clutch closer has a year where he shoots 1/10, the first player was a better closer in that year despite not being a better closer generally and for their whole career. Its just that one year.. nobody had wade over rose.

[QUOTE=Smoke117]What does Dirk have to do with anything?[/QUOTE]
"People can say whatever they want offensively for whoever, but Wade was the best TWO WAY GUARD in the league and a much better defensive player than Rose in 2011."

I am talking about the method in which you judge a player.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]"People can say whatever they want offensively for whoever, but Wade was the best TWO WAY GUARD in the league and a much better defensive player than Rose in 2011."

I am talking about the method in which you judge a player.[/QUOTE]

I'm not judging any players. I barely put any thought into my response as I don't think this deserves it. Anyone who thinks Rose was as good or better than Wade in 2011 is an idiot. End of discussion.

[QUOTE=Smoke117]I'm not judging any players. [B]I barely put any thought into my response[/B] as I don't think this deserves it. Anyone who thinks Rose was as good or better than Wade in 2011 is an idiot. End of discussion.[/QUOTE]
:lol Do you ever put thoughts into any of your responses? And then you think you can call other people idiots. Do you ever back up your thoughts? There are plenty of points to pick apart if you can back up your thoughts. Why is it I know you won't?

[QUOTE=Smoke117]I barely put any thought into my response.[/QUOTE]

:hammerhead:

[QUOTE=Pointguard]:lol Do you ever put thoughts into any of your responses? And then you think you can call other people idiots. Do you ever back up your thoughts? There are plenty of points to pick apart if you can back up your thoughts. Why is it I know you won't?[/QUOTE]

It isn't worth it. That is the point.

[QUOTE=tpols]I dont think anyones arguing about their general attributes as players.. theyre arguing about what they actually DID.. in that specific year.. Rose was better. Dwight Howard may have been infinitely more impactful than dirk in 2011 if you look at their contributions to scoring, rebound, and defending as a whole, but Dirk performed better, no question.

If a player that normally shoots 10% on gamewinners has a year where he shoots 8/10 and a normally clutch closer has a year where he shoots 1/10, the first player was a better closer in that year despite not being a better closer generally and for their whole career. Its just that one year.. nobody had wade over rose.[/QUOTE]

That's fair. I hadn't really read through all the posts in this thread. Personally I have no issues with Rose's MVP. He was outstanding that year. However, I do feel that '11 Wade is a bit underrated. It's certainly debatable as to who had the better season between him and Rose, but it's difficult to compare them due to the differences in circumstance/roles. I'm willing to say Rose had a slightly, very slightly, better regular season.

2011 Regular Season
Lebron
Dwight
Dirk
Durant
Kobe
Wade
All better than Froze.

[QUOTE=GrapeApe]That's fair. I hadn't really read through all the posts in this thread. Personally I have no issues with Rose's MVP. He was outstanding that year. However, I do feel that '11 Wade is a bit underrated. It's certainly debatable as to who had the better season between him and Rose, but it's difficult to compare them due to the differences in circumstance/roles. I'm willing to say Rose had a slightly, very slightly, better regular season.[/QUOTE]

I really think peak Wade was crazy good, among the best ever. I do have a problem with him acting like a number 2 in the finals in 2011. Lebron had stepped down. Wade shot 61% from 2 point land and decided to not push the issue. He had not wanted to be the man on his team. He only shot 18 times per game. Even his 3point game was hot (30% for him). You just can't be effective backing away from your strength. His production was solid but its the game that he didn't play that bothered me. He was content to go down as a number 2. He had that convenience the whole year.

Its unfair for the guys who take on all the responsibility, being the key to how the games turn out and play hard all the time, to be compared to guys that can just play without much riding on their play.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]I really think peak Wade was crazy good, among the best ever. I do have a problem with him acting like a number 2 in the finals in 2011. Lebron had stepped down. Wade shot 61% from 2 point land and decided to not push the issue. He had not wanted to be the man on his team. He only shot 18 times per game. Even his 3point game was hot (30% for him). You just can't be effective backing away from your strength. His production was solid but its the game that he didn't play that bothered me. He was content to go down as a number 2. He had that convenience the whole year.

Its unfair for the guys who take on all the responsibility, being the key to how the games turn out and play hard all the time, to be compared to guys that can just play without much riding on their play.[/QUOTE]
How hard is it to understand simple English?

Wade and LeBron were 1a and 1b in 2011. Wade said that he was going to take a step back and let LeBron do his thing AFTER the 2011 season. He was still prime Wade and was pretty much the leader of the team along with LeBron.

Also we're discussing their abilities as players and Wade was clearly the better player. He would've put up gaudy numbers if he didn't have to share the ball with LeBron.