80's vs 90's

[QUOTE=97 bulls]this is just as stupid as sayin that the bulls would beat the celtics because they won 72 games and the celtics only won [B]65[/B]. ITS DIFFERENT ERAS. LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE AND HOW THINGS ARE RELATIVELY. BIRD PUT UP THOSE AVERAGES NOT ONLY BECAUSE HE WAS GREAT BUT ALSO BECAUSE OF THE PACE. you are statisticly comparing 1 guy who was the number 1 option to a guy that was the number 2 option. even jordan suffered statisticly in the 90s due to pace.[/QUOTE]

Actually it was 67 games.

It was different eras but the Celtics played in a BETTER ERA!!!

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]The gap between how good Bird was in '86 to '91 is pretty big.

The gap between how good Pippen was in '91 to '96-'97 isn't.

There are alot of people out there including me who would take Pippen during the Bulls first 3-peat over Pippen during the Bulls 2nd 3 Peat.[/QUOTE]

i for one feel that pippen became even better and got more respect after what he did in 94. i really feel that he should have been the mvp. and that in this day and age he would. look at nash. and while i beleive that bird was better than pippen i dont believe its by that much and i showed you that useing your picked years. bird was older and pippen was too young. factor in the defensive side of the ball and id give a slight edge to pippen even as jordans second fiddle over bird as the 1st option.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]If Pippen guards DJ. Then that leaves MJ on Bird. And there is no way MJ is stopping Bird. Bird would post him up all day. Overall I always felt '86 Bird was better than '96 Jordan.[/QUOTE]

Michael was a top 5 defensive player so he would have held his own and there was no way anyone on the Celtics were stopping him either. I highly disagree '86 Bird was better than '96 Jordan.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]i for one feel that pippen became even better and got more respect after what he did in 94. i really feel that he should have been the mvp. and that in this day and age he would. look at nash. and while i beleive that bird was better than pippen i dont believe its by that much and i showed you that useing your picked years.[B] bird was older and pippen was too young.[/B] factor in the defensive side of the ball and id give a slight edge to pippen even as jordans second fiddle over bird as the 1st option.[/QUOTE]

Pippen was young but he was still an All Defensive Team player. And Bird was in his mid 30's with a bad back.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Actually it was 67 games.

It was different eras but the Celtics played in a BETTER ERA!!![/QUOTE]

and once again, why because the bulls destroyed everyone they played and the celtics couldnt. it sounds to me that by your logic, if utah or the knicks beat the bulls then the bulls would then be better.:hammerhead: now how ridiculous is that. but please answer this question, if the bulls lost the knicks or utah once or twice would that give more credence to their dominance.

[QUOTE=nycelt84]Michael was a top 5 defensive player so he would have held his own and there was no way anyone on the Celtics were stopping him either. I highly disagree '86 Bird was better than '96 Jordan.[/QUOTE]

MJ always had trouble playing against bigger players. In the '91 Finals he guarded Magic and he just couldn't contain him.

You may disagree with the '86 Bird > '96 Jordan but it's true.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Pippen was young but he was still an All Defensive Team player. And Bird was in his mid 30's with a bad back.[/QUOTE]

and it shows by pip forcing him to turn the ball over an average of 5 times

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]MJ always had trouble playing against bigger players. In the '91 Finals he guarded Magic and he just couldn't contain him.

You may disagree with the '86 Bird > '96 Jordan but it's true.[/QUOTE]

What makes it true that's just a matter of personal opinion nor do the numbers clearly show Bird was better. And nobody ever contained Magic.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]and once again, why because the bulls destroyed everyone they played and the celtics couldnt. it sounds to me that by your logic, if utah or the knicks beat the bulls then the bulls would then be better.:hammerhead: now how ridiculous is that. but please answer this question, if the bulls lost the knicks or utah once or twice would that give more credence to their dominance.[/QUOTE]

What? The Celtics destroyed everyone that season. Please do some research.

[QUOTE=nycelt84]What makes it true that's just a matter of personal opinion nor do the numbers clearly show Bird was better. And nobody ever contained Magic.[/QUOTE]

And nobody ever contained Bird.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]MJ always had trouble playing against bigger players. In the '91 Finals he guarded Magic and he just couldn't contain him.

You may disagree with the '86 Bird > '96 Jordan but it's true.[/QUOTE]

he didnt have trouble. and he wouldnt have to gurd magic pip or harper could.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]and it shows by pip forcing him to turn the ball over an average of 5 times[/QUOTE]

That would not have happened if that was '86 Bird.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]What? The Celtics destroyed everyone that season. Please do some research.[/QUOTE]

are we talking bout a season or that whole era? cuz im talking about the era

[QUOTE=97 bulls][B]he didnt have trouble[/B]. and he wouldnt have to gurd magic pip or harper could.[/QUOTE]

Yes he did. MJ got into early foul trouble in Games 1 and 2 because he just coudn't handle Magic.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]That would not have happened if that was '86 Bird.[/QUOTE]

hey, you tried to compare a 33 year old bird to pip not me