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[QUOTE=Baller789;14485098]Back then? Yes.
Now, not so much.
I mean was Pacquiao who was constantly bombarded by Mayweather for PED allegations never tested positive. Heck Floyd himself got caught with an illegal IV, and nothing happened. :lol[/QUOTE]
"Back then"? First you said that designer drugs were "always" ahead of testing, now late 00s/early 10s is suddenly "back then", when they weren't ahead?
Move them goal posts some more.
[QUOTE=hateraid;14485132]Everything is speculative and subjective to what they are actually taking. Ephedra is on the banned substance list but people take pseudoephedrine in the common cold medication. Why hasn't there been any reported cases of steroid use in the NBA? In the age where IG and advantageous greedy people exist? Because there is no real cases. Kobe couldn't hide from a rape accusation. If athletes like Lebron were actually doing it they would have been outed a long time ago[/QUOTE]
As you said, everything is speculative and subjective.
Perhaps the NBA has more to lose if their cash cow gets outed. And what organization wants their rep damaged by blatant use of illegal substances if they can keep it under wraps?
[QUOTE=hateraid;14485132]Everything is speculative and subjective to what they are actually taking. Ephedra is on the banned substance list but people take pseudoephedrine in the common cold medication. Why hasn't there been any reported cases of steroid use in the NBA? In the age where IG and advantageous greedy people exist? Because there is no real cases. Kobe couldn't hide from a rape accusation. If athletes like Lebron were actually doing it they would have been outed a long time ago[/QUOTE]
:roll: Tell that to Barry Bonds, Lance Armstrong etc. who went decades without being exposed.
[QUOTE=eliteballer;14485223]:roll: Tell that to Barry Bonds, Lance Armstrong etc. who went decades without being exposed.[/QUOTE]
Did I call it or what? :roll:
Do you even know what they took? Tell me without googling. How long ago was that? Where are all the cases in the NBA, NHLand NFL?
Sit your ass down boy. You did everything I predicted you'd do.
[QUOTE=Baller789;14485174]As you said, everything is speculative and subjective.
Perhaps the NBA has more to lose if their cash cow gets outed. And what organization wants their rep damaged by blatant use of illegal substances if they can keep it under wraps?[/QUOTE]
The thing is you can't. Not.in this day and age when they can unfold it years after. I've been in the offices LITERALLY when athletes got tested. They can random test at ANYTIME. There's so many things that are gray area that I can validate won't make you inhuman. But can appear on a test result and later thrown out.
[QUOTE=hateraid;14485410]The thing is you can't. Not.in this day and age when they can unfold it years after. I've been in the offices LITERALLY when athletes got tested. They can random test at ANYTIME. There's so many things that are gray area that I can validate won't make you inhuman. But can appear on a test result and later thrown out.[/QUOTE]
Oh yes you can. Doesn't matter if you believe that or not. And you being in the offices doesn't change that fact despite your hard headedness. You are not in the board meetings.
Money and influence trumps testing all day everyday. Perhaps the powers at be got an argument with the athlete and decided to pull the plug.
[QUOTE=Baller789;14485411]Oh yes you can. Doesn't matter if you believe that or not. And you being in the offices doesn't change that fact despite your hard headedness. You are not in the board meetings.
Money and influence trumps testing all day everyday. Perhaps the powers at be got an argument with the athlete and decided to pull the plug.[/QUOTE]
Are you speculating or speaking from experience? Because I sure ain't speculating. I can talk to trainers from pretty much any sports team and can confirm. You are just going by a hunch and what you read on the internet.
The funny thing about life is when you reveal the truth it's hard to accept when it's not their truth. Believe what you want. I know what I know. You're "theory" has no more validity than the existence of Big Foot
It's funny. When we had to put an informed choice certification on out labels, major league sports trainers had invested because they had to keep their tested athletes clean. But what do I know? A random poster on ISH has definitely more knowledge and experience than I do :lol
There's a cover up out there boys! But of the course the same logic does not apply to the reason Jordan retired!
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14485170]"Back then"? First you said that designer drugs were "always" ahead of testing, now late 00s/early 10s is suddenly "back then", when they weren't ahead?
Move them goal posts some more.[/QUOTE]
I meant way back then. You seem to resort to semantics when you have no argument.
Fact of the matter is you have no proper argument against my example.
[QUOTE=hateraid;14485419]Are you speculating or speaking from experience? Because I sure ain't speculating. I can talk to trainers from pretty much any sports team and can confirm. You are just going by a hunch and what you read on the internet.
The funny thing about life is when you reveal the truth it's hard to accept when it's not their truth. Believe what you want. I know what I know. You're "theory" has no more validity than the existence of Big Foot[/QUOTE]
Trainers aren't the ones who decide on those matters buddy.
[QUOTE=hateraid;14485420]It's funny. When we had to put an informed choice certification on out labels, major league sports trainers had invested because they had to keep their tested athletes clean. But what do I know? A random poster on ISH has definitely more knowledge and experience than I do :lol[/QUOTE]
Yes because sports trainers don't mix the secret sauce.
[QUOTE=hateraid;14485421]There's a cover up out there boys! But of the course the same logic does not apply to the reason Jordan retired![/QUOTE]
Meltdown. You are the one who bought Jordan into this. :roll:
[QUOTE=Baller789;14485439]I meant way back then. You seem to resort to semantics when you have no argument.
Fact of the matter is you have no proper argument against my example.[/QUOTE]
A guy who has no proof whatsoever other than hearsay and conjecture for his accusations entirely fueled by well-documented, subjective hatred for a person is talking about strength of arguments. Now that's something.
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[QUOTE=Baller789;14485440]Trainers aren't the ones who decide on those matters buddy.
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Are you serious? Who do you think would get them steroids? Lol.
[QUOTE]Yes because sports trainers don't mix the secret sauce.[/QUOTE]
Did you just contradict what you just posted right before this? Trainers don't control what they take. But trainers mix their secret sauce. Which is it??? Lol
[QUOTE]Meltdown. You are the one who bought Jordan into this. :roll:[/QUOTE]
You missed the context in that. But then again your whole post is convoluted. But keep on theorizing!
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14485442]A guy who has no proof whatsoever other than hearsay and conjecture for his accusations entirely fueled by well-documented, subjective hatred for a person is talking about strength of arguments. Now that's something.
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False. I gave you the examples of Pacquiao and Mayweather. You have no proper response.
[url]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2563982-floyd-mayweather-reportedly-took-banned-ivs-prior-to-manny-pacquiao-fight[/url]
[url]https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/13621142/floyd-mayweather-took-wada-banned-iv-manny-pacquiao-fight-according-report[/url]
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/boxing/2015/09/09/floyd-mayweather-illegal-iv-injection-manny-pacquiao[/url]
[QUOTE=Baller789;14485439]I meant way back then. You seem to resort to semantics when you have no argument.
Fact of the matter is you have no proper argument against my example.[/QUOTE]
Yet you speculate without any real hard facts. What arguement do you have besides hearsay? Lol