ISH All-time Top 25 Guards Project: #2 Kobe Bryant vs Magic Johnson.

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and still going.....the only thing Magic has over Kobe is Media MVP's....kobe should at minimum have 2 - 3 more League MVP's...for christ sakes Steve F'in Nash??? come on...can you say Media screwed...
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it's not really a popularity contest or media bias....the mvp generally goes to the best player on the best team in the league. kobe's most impressive statistical seasons were on laker clubs that were average at best

[QUOTE=kurt_rambis]yeah it's magic. not even that close

stats, awards, and championships aside, it basically come down to who would you rather have leading your team: magic or kobe

[B][SIZE="7"]and is anyone honestly going to pick kobe?
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on the jordan comparison....i mean, magic's been my favorite player since i was 9 years old, but you can't argue that he's better than mike. even if jordan didn't have more rings it'd be a nearly impossible argument

i do, however, think the 80's lakers were a better team than the 90's bulls. come at me bro[/QUOTE]


Jerry west...

I would most likely too....Longer career , more championships.....most likley when it's all said and done Kobe will have a much better career then Magic.

[QUOTE=kurt_rambis]it's not really a popularity contest or media bias....the mvp generally goes to the best player on the best team in the league. kobe's most impressive statistical seasons were on laker clubs that were average at best[/QUOTE]
Isn't it cool that no matter how good you are, that if you are surrounded by scrubbies, that you can't win the MVP award?

Makes it seem pretty useless, no?

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]Kobe Bryant

5X NBA Champion (2000 , 2001 , 2002 , 2009 , 2010)
2008 NBA MVP
13X NBA Allstar
9X all NBA First team
9X all NBA First Team defense
2X Finals MVP
4X NBA Allstar game MVP
1997 NBA Slam Dunk champion
2X all NBA 2nd team defense

and still going.....the only thing Magic has over Kobe is Media MVP's....kobe should at minimum have 2 - 3 more League MVP's...for christ sakes Steve F'in Nash??? come on...can you say Media screwed...

and Longevity???..Kobe Barely played his first 2 years.....



Kobe's should move past Magic.....he already has in the real world.[/QUOTE]

In those 5 championship.......how times did Kobe lead a team to the finals as the team best player?

2008 MVP is a joke. That Award had Chris Paul name written all over it.

Kobe Bryant deserves NO MVP's. I repeat NO MVP!!

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]Kobe Bryant

5X NBA Champion (2000 , 2001 , 2002 , 2009 , 2010)
2008 NBA MVP
13X NBA Allstar
9X all NBA First team
9X all NBA First Team defense
2X Finals MVP
4X NBA Allstar game MVP
1997 NBA Slam Dunk champion
2X all NBA 2nd team defense

and still going.....the only thing Magic has over Kobe is Media MVP's....kobe should at minimum have 2 - 3 more League MVP's...for christ sakes Steve F'in Nash??? come on...can you say Media screwed...

and Longevity???..Kobe Barely played his first 2 years.....



[B]Kobe's should move past Magic.....he already has in the real world[/B].[/QUOTE]

What real world? In the world I see, in the only world I see, Magic Johnson was better than Kobe Bryant, and the vast majority of people - both casual fans of basketball, and hardcore - would agree with me in saying that.

[I]Nobody[/I] but other Kobe stans like yourself would agree with your views. And that's the difference here.






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[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]Jerry west...

I would most likely too....Longer career , more championships.....most likley when it's all said and done Kobe will have a much better career then Magic.[/QUOTE]

So, Bill Simmons and SLAM Magazine are just part of a warped reality?

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]Jerry west...

I would most likely too....Longer career , more championships.....most likley when it's all said and done Kobe will have a much better career then Magic.[/QUOTE]

likely schmikely, i'll believe it when i see it

the lakers are nearly at a rebuilding stage, and he's on the backend of his career. his stats are only going to get worse from now on, so his career averages are going to drop, further sullying his legacy

[QUOTE=Droid101]Isn't it cool that no matter how good you are, that if you are surrounded by scrubbies, that you can't win the MVP award?

Makes it seem pretty useless, no?[/QUOTE]

it's the most valuable player award, not most talented player. if you score 40 points per game but your team doesn't make the playoffs, who are you of value to?

[QUOTE=kurt_rambis]it's not really a popularity contest or media bias....the mvp generally goes to the best player on the best team in the league. kobe's most impressive statistical seasons were on laker clubs that were average at best[/QUOTE]


generally?

ok...

2009 he was the best player on the best team...

2010 he was the best player on the best team...

2001 he was the best player on the best team...



all very impressive statistical seasons.....with some of the best playoff runs ever....should have been MVP ...

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[QUOTE=kurt_rambis]it's the most valuable player award, not most talented player. if you score 40 points per game but your team doesn't make the playoffs, who are you of value to?[/QUOTE]
This is a joke, right?

So you're saying if a dude averaged 40ppg, 9.5rpg, 8.5apg, 55% shooting, and missed the playoffs because his teammates (combined) averaged 45ppg, 15rpg, 5apg, and 31% shooting, he's not the most valuable player?

Get the **** outta here with that noise. It ain't his fault his teammates suck.

[QUOTE=JordanTime]In those 5 championship.......how times did Kobe lead a team to the finals as the team best player?

2008 MVP is a joke. That Award had Chris Paul name written all over it.

Kobe Bryant deserves NO MVP's. I repeat NO MVP!![/QUOTE]


2001

2002

2008

2009

2010

thanks for showing your hatred....now go apply yourself


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[QUOTE=SuperPippen]What real world? In the world I see, in the only world I see, Magic Johnson was better than Kobe Bryant, and the vast majority of people - both casual fans of basketball, and hardcore - would agree with me in saying that.

[I]Nobody[/I] but other Kobe stans like yourself would agree with your views. And that's the difference here.






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Even Alpha doesn't believe what he says:

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]I'll give you the players that I have watched for nearly 30years...I never watched Basketball when Russell or Wilt or to familiar with any Pro Game before 1980.....these are the best players that I have watched and followed..

pretty much from 1980 till present...

[B]1.Magic[/B]
2.Jordan
[B]3.Kobe[/B]
4.Bird
5.Duncan[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]generally?

ok...

2009 he was the best player on the best team...

2010 he was the best player on the best team...

[B]2001 he was the best player on the best team...[/B]



all very impressive statistical seasons.....with some of the best playoff runs ever....should have been MVP ...

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Gifted Mind disagrees and many observers of the game disagree with you, strongly on that one:

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157369[/url]

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Even Alpha doesn't believe what he says:[/QUOTE]


yeah and Kobe is still playing.....


we are splitting hairs here...

Kobe will be ranked higher then Magic alltime...when he is done playing..






book it.





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[QUOTE=JordanTime]In those 5 championship.......how times did Kobe lead a team to the finals as the team best player?

2008 MVP is a joke. That Award had Chris Paul name written all over it.

Kobe Bryant deserves NO MVP's. I repeat NO MVP!![/QUOTE]

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