Russell to LeBron: "Thank you for leaving me off your Mt. Rushmore."

[QUOTE=tpols]Did you see him play? All I can go off is the words of his contemporaries.. who thought he was better than players who had way gaudier numbers.. and who explained that he was the glue holding the C's dynasty together.
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I never doubted his greatness, his ability to get others on the same page. I did see like two full games of Russell and quarters of about four others on YouTube and '64 one of his best years was among them. '66 and 61 were among the others.

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credit to jlip obviously.. read this a while ago. You think these guys dont know what theyre talking about? Ever think Russel knew the strengths and weaknesses of his team and adapted accordingly.. ie if he was on a shit team he would have worked/adapted in a different way?[/QUOTE]
That's conjecture. He didn't manifest a lot of skill in what I seen of him. I think it was somewhat of a Aurabach Rule to up Russell. I think this extended beyond the Celtics. Mikan might have been blacklisted for saying Wilt would stuff Bill in the basket... Mikan was never treated right.

The best tribute to a player are those who come up imitating him. There isn't one player that has ever said they patterned their game after Russell. Even Jordan was imitated and he was more of a one of a kind type of player ever seen.

The quotes you posted would be said about every superstar without doubt tho. You can change names with other players pretty easy? No?

[QUOTE=Pointguard]I never doubted his greatness, his ability to get others on the same page. I did see like two full games of Russell and quarters of about four others on YouTube and '64 one of his best years was among them. '66 and 61 were among the others.


That's conjecture. He didn't manifest a lot of skill in what I seen of him. I think it was somewhat of a Aurabach Rule to up Russell. I think this extended beyond the Celtics. Mikan might have been blacklisted for saying Wilt would stuff Bill in the basket... Mikan was never treated right.

The best tribute to a player are those who come up imitating him. [B]There isn't one player that has ever said they patterned their game after Russell.[/B] Even Jordan was imitated and he was more of a one of a kind type of player ever seen.

The quotes you posted would be said about every superstar without doubt tho. You can change names with other players pretty easy? No?[/QUOTE]
False. Jabbar did, Elvin Hayes did, Willis Reed did. They've all said it, and I'm sure there are many many more. You are a decent poster but your attitude towards Russell is borderline trolling. From what I have seen and put together based on testimonial and film he was a lot better a player than you seem to think he was.

[QUOTE=Pointguard] There isn't one player that has ever said they patterned their game after Russell.
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I believe Kwame Brown did, and ironically he is probably the most accurate comparison for what Russell would be today.

[SIZE="3"]Kareem earlier this week regarding Lebron's list:[/SIZE]

[url]http://youtu.be/9HyTIak-_y8?t=4m36s[/url]


[SIZE="5"]"[B]Lebron you gotta do more homework[/B]"[/SIZE]

:applause:

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]I believe Kwame Brown did, and ironically he is probably the most accurate comparison for what Russell would be today.[/QUOTE]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

funny

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW][SIZE="3"]Kareem earlier this week regarding Lebron's list:[/SIZE]

[url]http://youtu.be/9HyTIak-_y8?t=4m36s[/url]


[SIZE="5"]"[B]Lebron you gotta do more homework[/B]"[/SIZE]

:applause:[/QUOTE]

LOL, none of the basketball greats respect LeCollusion*

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]False. Jabbar did, Elvin Hayes did, Willis Reed did. They've all said it, and I'm sure there are many many more. You are a decent poster but your attitude towards Russell is borderline trolling. From what I have seen and put together based on testimonial and film he was a lot better a player than you seem to think he was.[/QUOTE]
They didn't play ANY THING like Russell. Their games were far removed from Russell's.

Elvin Hayes? Please tell me the similarity. Going after rebounds? Hayes was consumed with the offensive side of play.

You think Reed had absolutely no cognizance of his body build and lack of springs? Ok they were left handed?

Jabbar was super skilled and played his game from that skill point and was an original if I ever saw one. I can see if they said they wanted to win like him but they weren't even setting picks like Russell - minus Reed. They didn't do outlet passes that good. They didn't go out to defend their man far out. They didn't play defense with their feet. To say they patterned their game after him is a bit of a stretch.

I never troll. I give Russell a lot of credit. But he can definitely be left off of people's Mounts and isn't a gimme for top center or best player. He won like crazy. But that doesn't mean I should see skills when I didn't.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW][SIZE="3"]Kareem earlier this week regarding Lebron's list:[/SIZE]

[url]http://youtu.be/9HyTIak-_y8?t=4m36s[/url]


[SIZE="5"]"[B]Lebron you gotta do more homework[/B]"[/SIZE]

:applause:[/QUOTE]
Now this is trolling.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]They didn't play ANY THING like Russell. Their games were far removed from Russell's.

Elvin Hayes? Please tell me the similarity. Going after rebounds? Hayes was consumed with the offensive side of play.

You think Reed had absolutely no cognizance of his body build and lack of springs? Ok they were left handed?

Jabbar was super skilled and played his game from that skill point and was an original if I ever saw one. I can see if they said they wanted to win like him but they weren't even setting picks like Russell - minus Reed. They didn't do outlet passes that good. They didn't go out to defend their man far out. They didn't play defense with their feet. To say they patterned their game after him is a bit of a stretch.

I never troll. I give Russell a lot of credit. But he can definitely be left off of people's Mounts and isn't a gimme for top center or best player. He won like crazy. But that doesn't mean I should see skills when I didn't.[/QUOTE]
God damn it seems like you haven't got a clue how Russell played, or what he did and how much of it those guys TRIED to emulate. Stop looking at their differences and start looking for their similarities. I don't think you've seen enough of Russell though, from the sounds of things. Doesn't seem like you understand the breadth of his abilities and impact. Those guys DID emulate Russell, to the best of each of their abilities, they of course had their own different set of tools, flair and skill sets to put a twist on it but at the end of the day Russell was one giant inspiration for how they played and what habits they'd pick up on the court. Just because you're not aware of how much Russell could do and how much others emulated his play doesn't mean it isn't the truth. I think you need to do a lot more research on Russell before you jump to these conclusions. Russell isn't some guy who played great defense 'but' (whatever insult... bad offense, bad practice habits, unskilled etc) and got lucky 11 times. You've got him pegged wrong if that's what you believe.

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Just take away LeBron (no Russell) and that Heat team is still a top 2 seed in the East[/QUOTE]
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With Wade missing every 3rd game and unable to play in back to backs? :facepalm

@ these niqqas furiously arguing about players who retired decades before they were born. Lol. Niqqas acting like they were at every game of Russell's rookie season cautiously taking notes.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]@ these niqqas furiously arguing about players who retired decades before they were born. Lol. Niqqas acting like they were at every game of Russell's rookie season cautiously taking notes.[/QUOTE]
Sad isn't it?

**** Bill Russel.

When Lebron was throwing lame dunks shirtless in practice, was Russell there with his mobile recording video? No he wasn't, but Lebron's fh@ggots teammates where.

Quid pro quo

[QUOTE=Blue&Orange]When Lebron was throwing lame dunks shirtless in practice, was Russell there with his mobile recording video? No he wasn't, but Lebron's fh@ggots teammates where.

Quid pro quo


Lebron is on the mount rushmore of *******ry\beta[/QUOTE]
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