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lebron is in better shape at this age than any player before him i can remember (attribute to that what you will)
more importantly you can't compare the league today to the league from the early 2000's. jordan had to contend with zone defense and zero spacing. wayy harder to score during that time.
and he still managed to put up 40 and 50 here and there.
[QUOTE=WhiteKyrie;14849768]LeBron is horrendous. Stands around all game. No defense. Cherry picks. Doesn’t even get back on defense. Needs to stiff arm and push and not get called for offensive fouls to get to the basket. Spams easy buckets. Is shooting like 36% outside just a few feet from the rim. It’s hilariously bad. And has been like this for years. He knows when and how to pad his box score, to fool people who don’t know what they’re watching. Much better than Jordan? Nah. On defensive grounds and consistency alone. LeBron just plays with far superior talent.[/QUOTE]
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Wizards Jordan had more positive impact on a way worse team than Lebron has. That's a fact.
[QUOTE=Full Court;14849833]Wizards Jordan had more positive impact on a way worse team than Lebron has. That's a fact.[/QUOTE]
What are the facts there?
[QUOTE=Full Court;14849833]Wizards Jordan had more positive impact on a way worse team than Lebron has. That's a fact.[/QUOTE]
I agree wholeheartedly 100 percent
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14849845]What are the facts there?[/QUOTE]
Read the sentence immediately before the text that says, "That's a fact."
Lebron couldn't even make play in with peak Anthony Davis and prime Russell Westbrook both of which are mvp candidates and one won league mvp and is the all time leader in triple doubles and this despite being 2nd in odds to win it all.
[QUOTE=Full Court;14849954]Read the sentence immediately before the text that says, "That's a fact."[/QUOTE]
Yea it was was pretty heavily implied that I was referring to the sentence before. You made yourself what some call a declarative statement. As such, you should provide facts to support such a statement. Ya dig?
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14849845]What are the facts there?[/QUOTE]
Jordan was 30-30 with that Wizards team in 2002 and his cast was much worse than Lebron has now
And everyone who watched back then knows that the Wizards were 26-21 (surging 4 seed) at which point MJ got hurt and limped to 60 games before sitting out the rest of the season.
MJ was one of 3 guys getting 25/5/5 (27/6/6 in today's era) and had multiple game winners and numerous 40 or 50 point games due to pull-up ability that Lebron lacks... That's better than current Lebron
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14850116]Yea it was was pretty heavily implied that I was referring to the sentence before. You made yourself what some call a declarative statement. As such, you should provide facts to support such a statement. Ya dig?[/QUOTE]
For one, Jordan was still putting out effort on defense right up until the end. He had slowed down a lot, but he wasn't a revolving door getting blown by like Lebron is. His refusal to "waste" energy on defense is what makes Lebro a net negative. We all know he can still score.
Also, see 3ball's post above.
MJ shot 43% as a Wizard and barley hovered around 20 ppg. :roll:
LeBron even at his old as age gives you 25 a night on much greater efficiency.
[QUOTE=3ba11;14850186]Jordan was 30-30 with that Wizards team in 2002 and his cast was much worse than Lebron has now
And everyone who watched back then knows that the Wizards were 26-21 (surging 4 seed) at which point MJ got hurt and limped to 60 games before sitting out the rest of the season.
MJ was one of 3 guys getting 25/5/5 (27/6/6 in today's era) and had multiple game winners and numerous 40 or 50 point games due to pull-up ability that Lebron lacks... That's better than current Lebron[/QUOTE]
I remember early last season you used PER as an argument to why Wizards MJ > LeBron, once LeBron picked up his play and surpassed MJ in PER you ran away from that argument like a bitch.
MJ's PER with Wizards: 19.9
LeBron's PER last season and this season so far: 23.8
:roll:
I actually did a little research on the 02 Wizards. They had a 9 game win streak earlier on that helped a lot. The teams?
Rockets- 28 wins
Mavs- 57 wins (No Dirk in this game)
Grizzlies- 23 wins
Heat- 36 wins
Knicks- 37 wins
Raptors- 42 wins
Hawks- 33 wins
Magic - 44 wins (No Tmac. That was like a 7 win team without McGrady)
Knicks- 37 wins
Take that as you wish.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14850190]MJ shot 43% as a Wizard and barley hovered around 20 ppg. :roll:
LeBron even at his old as age gives you 25 a night on much greater efficiency.[/QUOTE]
i wouldn't really compare the rough and tough zone defense era of the early 2000's against the you can't touch me space and pace no defense era of current year.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14850191]I remember early last season you used PER as an argument to why Wizards MJ > LeBron, once LeBron picked up his play and surpassed MJ in PER you ran away from that argument like a bitch.
MJ's PER with Wizards: 19.9
LeBron's PER last season and this season so far: 23.8
:roll:[/QUOTE]
The problem with today's game is the top class of players is small and far superior to the middle class, who are mostly robotic 3-and-D guys created by the 3-pointer brand of ball.
Accordingly, great players have a greater edge over the lower classes of players (3-and-D robots) than previous eras did.. Lebron's edge over a 3-and-D pawn like Taureen Prince is greater than Jordan's edge over the lower class of player in 2002, who were still a diverse class of players (not 3-and-D robots/unskillsed)