Grimes 6'8 wing span. Nothing special on paper. Can shoot and play D?
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Grimes 6'8 wing span. Nothing special on paper. Can shoot and play D?
Tony Jones: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]It appears Jared Butler is out for a rest day[/URL]
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and yet the odds are they lost that trade
L.A. could instead opt to deal Westbrook in a different deal, and according to NBA insider Jake Fischer, the Utah Jazz could be a possible partner in such a trade. “If [Donovan] Mitchell is ultimately moved, and the Jazz are just kind of a wasteland of young picks or young players and draft picks, there has been increasing talk around the league about [URL="https://lakersdaily.com/report-people-around-league-think-jazz-trading-for-russell-westbrook-then-buying-him-out-is-plausible/"]teams wondering if the Jazz would be a potential landing spot for the Lakers to send Russell Westbrook, where they could potentially get Patrick Beverley and other salary back,” said Fischer.[/URL] “I’m not saying that’s been discussed. I’m not saying it’s likely to happen, but in theory if the Jazz in this rebuild, who just want picks, can get one or two picks from the Lakers to get an expiring contract and buy Russell Westbrook out, it seems like a scenario people around the league believe to at least be plausible.”
– via [URL="https://lakersdaily.com/report-people-around-league-think-jazz-trading-for-russell-westbrook-then-buying-him-out-is-plausible/"]Zach Stevens @ Lakers Daily[/URL]
[URL="https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267958/RJ-Barrett-Not-Believed-To-Be-Dealbreaker-In-Discussions-Between-Knicks-Jazz-On-Donovan-Mitchell"]Zach Lowe and Tim MacMahon appear to be in agreement that their reporting suggests RJ Barrett won’t be a dealbreaker in the Utah Jazz discussions on a Donovan Mitchell trade with the New York Knicks[/URL]. “The Jazz desire to get him is unclear to me,” said Zach Lowe. “He might not be the dealbreaker people think it is.”
– via [URL="https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267958/RJ-Barrett-Not-Believed-To-Be-Dealbreaker-In-Discussions-Between-Knicks-Jazz-On-Donovan-Mitchell"]RealGM[/URL]
[url]https://www.ksl.com/article/50441032/jazzs-leandro-bolmaro-shows-promise-at-las-vegas-summer-league[/url]
[QUOTE]"I asked to play for summer league because I want to get better," he said. "I want to improve; I wanted to win my place on the team. So I'm using the summer league to get ready for the season and have some rhythm for me."
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:cheers:
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/14/23219784/what-life-for-the-utah-jazz-and-knicks-could-look-like-in-the-aftermath-of-a-donovan-mitchell-trade[/url]
[QUOTE]It’s my personal opinion that trading Mitchell is the best thing for the Jazz if they want to move toward being a winning team. We had enough evidence to see that the Jazz weren’t going to win a title led by Mitchell and Rudy Gobert and winning with Mitchell as a centerpiece in the current Western Conference just doesn’t feel tenable.
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we saw no evidence with a new coach, a starting PF, a bigger back court and new 6th man
[QUOTE]If the Jazz were to move forward with Mitchell they would have an absolutely impossible task of trying to build a team around him that would come close to being able to contend. The defense is completely depleted without Gobert and Royce O’Neale, they still have the problem of having a too small back court with Mitchell and Mike Conley and there would need to be deals upon deals upon deals made to flip some assets and current players to make the Jazz a team that could even compete for a playoff spot, much less anything else.
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you just need someone else to carry the team again. Not the difficult is it? :lol
[QUOTE]The Knicks, who have a treasure chest full of future picks to offer in a deal, are probably going to have to give up at least a handful of them in order to land Mitchell, especially after the Gobert trade dictated the worth of a star player in today’s market. A deal would also probably include some number of younger high-ceiling players that are already semi-established.
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we got the cost of a statue. An ineffcient, iso driven one way player? We'll see what Mr. James ****in' Dolan will offer!
[QUOTE]All of this points to at least a couple of seasons of hardcore player development and investment in a team that will prioritize mental toughness and skills training over wins. It’s not the most glamorous stage for an NBA team to be in, but if the Jazz play their cards and their picks correctly, they could be on track to have some of the most coveted young prospects in the coming years, making for an exciting fresh-faced approach.
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be a lot more than two unless they get lucky again
[QUOTE]And didn’t we just see that Mitchell and Conley had a hard time in the postseason as a small backcourt? If the Knicks have Mitchell paired with Jalen Brunson, it’s hard for me to imagine that kind of a team being able to contend with some of the rangier and lengthy teams.
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also have Gobert lite in the middle
[QUOTE]Maybe it is worth it to get another team involved to make this make sense for everyone.[/QUOTE]
i think that's what you need so Thibs can keep Rose
[url]https://saltcityhoops.com/imagining-mitchells-future-in-a-new-basketball-framework/[/url]
[QUOTE]Some of that is built off the on-court relationship with Rudy Gobert — that tandem was the #1 pick-and-roll duo in the league last season. But a lot of it is Mitchell’s own brilliance as a creator.
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we'll see what Donovon Sexton does without someone carrying him
[QUOTE]Even before the Jazz acquired Mike Conley Jr., I wrote about how [URL="https://saltcityhoops.com/the-gobert-factor-lifts-guard-play-and-not-just-on-defense/"]Gobert’s impact elevates point guard play[/URL] at both ends of the court. And it’s true! George Hill, Ricky Rubio and even Shelvin Mack all had career years playing with the former Jazz defensive stalwart. There’s many reasons for this. Conley continued the tradition, earning his first All-Star appearance playing with Gobert. Of course, he wasn’t in his prime anymore and he his scoring average was down from his Memphis peak, but his shooting, playmaking and overall impact were top notch. The efficiency of the Conley-Gobert pick and roll was a big part of that, especially as the two decimated opposing bench units in the Jazz’s staggered rotation.
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let's not forget the 6th best team with Exum and Burke running the show!
[QUOTE]All of this should — and does! — also help Mitchell. But here’s the catch: Mitchell has not been playing as a natural point guard through his career. And even if that [I]is[/I] his natural and future position on this or any other team, he’s so much different than any of those other guys. Namely because his most elite level skill is getting to the basket and finishing around and through contact, rather than finding a lob-finisher, for example.
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he'll never be a natural pg. Not sure getting to the rim, finishing or getting to the line are strengths. He's gotten better
[QUOTE]Mitchell undeniably benefitted in some ways from having Gobert as his pick-and-roll partner, but the latter’s gravity on the roll means the lane gets incredibly clogged, which could impact a crafty scorer like Mitchell. This is fine for Conley, who wants to lob it up or take a floater. (Notably, Wovles guard D’Angelo Russell [I]loves[/I] the pull-up three around a screen, throwing lobs, and hitting floaters. He will shine with Rudy.)
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Ant Gobert is the duo they need to make work
[QUOTE]So while Mitchell’s pick and roll efficiency with Rudy was stellar and his off-the-bounce and catch-and-shoot threes were great, you could argue that his interior finishing was somewhat, um, stifled because both guys are essentially targeting the same space when they head to the lane after a ball screen. And despite this, they were still a great tandem!
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A great tandem thanks to Gobert. Two years ago Conley and Gobert were the great tandem
[QUOTE]New Jazz coach Will Hardy may not put together a system exactly like the Celtics’ 5-out motion ball with a bevy of athletic wings and switchability, but he will have some options for a more modern system than the previous one centered around a traditional rim-rolling big like Gobert. If Mitchell is somehow still on this team, he might finally be unleashed to do some heavy damage in the paint and at the rim.
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Rim running is hardly traditional. More a thing in the modern game even if it's already becoming less common
[QUOTE]Mitchell is also highly motivated. People are quick to point to the recent playoffs, or even stretches of this past season, where he seemed less engaged on defense or less connected in to his teammates. And that’s also true. It’s also a solvable problem and somewhat understandable given the drama surrounding the team over the past few seasons: the Jazz being central to the March 2020 COVID-related pause, later the “Great Bubble Collapse” vs. the Denver Nuggets, another playoff collapse in 2021, and constant rumors of unhappiness and looming roster change. We know he has the motor. We know he has the desire. We know he has the tools. He just needs to be unlocked and free, the way he was as a rookie and second year player.
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we know he has some tools and lacks some others that are half the game! He's been unlocked and free. Not sure he could have been more free. Probably have less with Randle, Barrett, Brunson etc.
[QUOTE]The possibility of unleashing a Mitchell version with more inside finishing is likely why the Jazz’s asking price for the young star is reportedly high. There is likely some curiosity about how Mitchell’s game could evolve untethered from a traditional dive big-oriented offense, and as such the Jazz will move him only if the right offer materializes. The Jazz are [URL="https://twitter.com/davidjsmith1232/status/1547689777830342656?s=20&t=_DrdR4qRFzhx2Ql-SPpylQ"]reportedly angling[/URL] for a “historic haul” of first-round picks, along with young, cheap talent. A Knicks deal makes sense given their abundance of draft assets and young guys with upset like Quentin Grimes and Obi Toppin. According to reports, though, New York has [URL="https://twitter.com/JazzNationNews/status/1547701623438184448?s=20&t=_DrdR4qRFzhx2Ql-SPpylQ"]backed away[/URL] after getting close on a deal. From here, this will be a game of chicken that could take days or weeks to resolve… or the Knicks could suddenly demonstrate a willingness to pay the price and a deal could be done any minute.
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He might benefit from 5 out but there's still defense and the other 4 guys on the court. That's where he needs to get a lot better
[QUOTE]Either way, Mitchell will have the opportunity to demonstrate what he can do outside of the context of the Gobert-Mitchell partnership. Whether that’s for the Knicks, the Jazz or some other team, we may witness a very different set of the guard’s strengths on display in what could be a historically great season from one Donovan Mitchell.
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this so called historic season will probably be on a bad team but yeah!
[QUOTE] Jake Fischer: [URL="https://open.spotify.com/show/0VWBDAN7SpiIbO8xWMGEsc"]Miami is trying to go find multiple picks to eithed send to a Utah for Donovan Mitchell or to send to Brooklyn for Kevin Durant[/URL].
– via [URL="https://open.spotify.com/show/0VWBDAN7SpiIbO8xWMGEsc"]Spotify[/URL]
Jake Fischer on Donovan Mitchell talks: [URL="https://open.spotify.com/show/0VWBDAN7SpiIbO8xWMGEsc"]I was told directly that (the Jazz) asked for seven (first-round picks) in their opening negotiation[/URL].
– via [URL="https://open.spotify.com/show/0VWBDAN7SpiIbO8xWMGEsc"]Spotify[/URL]
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I hope Danny is starting to have some fun with Mr. James ****in' Dolan! :lol
[QUOTE] Jake Fischer: I know that [URL="https://open.spotify.com/show/0VWBDAN7SpiIbO8xWMGEsc"]Brooklyn at least inquired in the early stages of Durant’s trade request and Rudy Gobert’s deal to Minnesota to see if (Donovan Mitchell) was available. And they were told then that Donovan was not.[/URL] Obviously things have changed now.
– via [URL="https://open.spotify.com/show/0VWBDAN7SpiIbO8xWMGEsc"]Spotify[/URL]
Jake Fischer: From my conversations with people in the league, seems pretty clear [URL="https://open.spotify.com/show/0VWBDAN7SpiIbO8xWMGEsc"]Kyrie’s accepting the fact that he is overwhelmingly likely to be back in Brooklyn[/URL].
– via [URL="https://open.spotify.com/show/0VWBDAN7SpiIbO8xWMGEsc"]Spotify
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Jake Fischer: The word on the street is definitely that both [URL="https://open.spotify.com/show/0VWBDAN7SpiIbO8xWMGEsc"]Barrett and Tyler Herro are looking for maximum contract extensions[/URL].
– via [URL="https://open.spotify.com/show/0VWBDAN7SpiIbO8xWMGEsc"]Spotify[/URL]
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well duh. They'd be stupid not to ask
[url]https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2022/7/14/23215922/donovan-mitchell-trade-knicks-new-york-jazz-quickley-toppin-grimes[/url]
[QUOTE] [h=1]Why a Donovan Mitchell trade makes so much sense for Jazz and Knicks[/h]
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Makes sense for the Jazz because he's not as good as his max contract and hype say he is and they can't build a winner around him
[QUOTE]The Jazz essentially got [I]five[/I] first round picks from the [URL="https://www.canishoopus.com"]Minnesota Timberwolves[/URL] for Gobert — three of them unprotected, one top-five protected, and Auburn center Walker Kessler who just went No. 22 overall in the 2022 [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba-draft"]NBA Draft[/URL]. Yes, there were some veterans in the package as well to match salary (Jarred Vanderbilt, Malik Beasley, and Patrick Beverly among them), but the Jazz clearly made this particular deal with a long-term rebuild in mind.
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Not necessarily. They got a couple good vets that could help a team trying to win besides the young guys and picks.
[QUOTE]The initial reports said the Jazz intended to keep Donovan Mitchell and continue building around him, but it never made much sense given that the rest of the roster was getting torn down around him. Now Utah’s real plan is coming into focus: Mitchell is [URL="https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34233167/utah-jazz-now-willing-listen-donovan-mitchell-trade-scenarios-rival-teams-say"]reportedly on the trade block[/URL], and it’s likely going to take a huge package of picks and appealing young players to land him.
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he's still young enough that it could make sense if he was good enough. Just don't think he's as good as the Knicks think., James ****in Dolan!!! :cheers:
[QUOTE][INDENT] New York is in a unique position with the collection of picks they’ve acquired as they can bypass the NBA’s Stepien Rule and trade consecutive first round picks. Knicks can offer teams 4 consecutive picks in ‘23, ‘24, ‘25, ‘26. [URL="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NBA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]#NBA[/URL] [URL="https://t.co/aCvfvqCxj0"]pic.twitter.com/aCvfvqCxj0[/URL]
— NBATradeReport (@NBATradeReport) [URL="https://twitter.com/NBATradeReport/status/1547222997106319362?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]July 13, 2022[/URL] [/INDENT][/QUOTE]
music to Danny's ears. Now you just need to cough up 3 more!!! :oldlol:
[QUOTE]Throw in Evan Fournier to make the salaries work. Throw in at least two unprotected future first round picks that originally belong to the Knicks, and [I]maybe three[/I] first rounders that New York currently owns from other teams.
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Rose or another team makes more sense
[QUOTE]The Jazz get to add to their chest of draft picks and pick up some pretty decent young players in the process. Utah can maximize the chances of its own draft pick this year, and [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2022/6/22/23175121/victor-wembanyama-nba-draft-2023-scouting-report-video-stats-profile"]shoot for French super prospect Victor Wembanyama with the No. 1 pick in the 2023 draft[/URL]. G League Ignite guard Scoot Henderson is a hell of a consolation prize if they land at No. 2.
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and it very well could change by next year as it often does
[QUOTE]The Knicks have been hunting for a star since hiring Leon Rose to lead the front office. Mitchell is represented by CAA, the same agency Rose used to lead. New York would have a completely overhauled backcourt with Jalen Brunson and Mitchell. RJ Barrett will still be around. It’s possible, or even likely, that Julius Randle and Mitchell Robinson will still be there, too. The Knicks also made one of the best sleeper signings of free agency by inking Isaiah Hartenstein to a two-year deal away from the Clippers.
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the problem is no one will be considered a star if they lose. Mitchell, Barrett, Randle, Brunson, Mitchell? play in even? could be 3 max deals!
[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2022/7/15/23221167/utah-jazz-sign-johnny-juzang-to-a-two-way-contract[/url]
[QUOTE]Being 6’7” right off the bat makes Juzang a solid prospect. It’s interesting that Juzang went undrafted in the recent draft, because he was slated to be drafted the year before but decided to go back to college after seeing where he’d be drafted. He returned to [URL="https://www.bruinsnation.com"]UCLA[/URL] where he helped lead the Bruins to the sweet 16. In college, Juzang showed an ability to score in a myriad of ways which helped him lead the team in scoring. He has nice touch and is quicker than you’d think off the dribble. Because he’s not super athletic, his skill is going to have to be high. His size and skillset is reminiscent of Georges Niang. If he can become a knockdown three-point shooter like Niang, he should have a very solid NBA career. For him to get there, he’s going to likely spend a lot of time with the Salt Lake City Stars, something Niange did and we know how much it helped him.
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Niang was already one of the best players in the Gleague when they signed him to the two way I believe.
[URL]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/15/knicks-reject-latest-utah-jazz-trade-idea-donovan-mitchell/[/URL]
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There are other teams that can offer similar players for Mitchell, but the Jazz are after as many picks as they can possibly get, and the only team that can give them what they want, and that’s the Knicks, so even if negotiations go on for the next few months, all signs point to Mitchell heading home before the 2022/23 season. The latest news on DeAndre Ayton now being un-tradable until January rules a few other teams out, so now, it looks like Danny Ainge has been forced to deal with just one team, and will spend the next few days and weeks trying to get as much out of New York as possible.
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Danny might wait until the trade deadline if he has to but hopefully it's done by the time the season starts along with all the other vets!
[QUOTE]While New York are still the favourite, the Knicks rejected the Jazz’ latest trade proposal for Donovan, which was reportedly Immanuel Quickley, Obi Toppin, Quentin Grimes, Miles McBride and six future first round picks. The Knicks young core depends heavily on the energy and passion that Toppin, Quickley and Grimes bring, and while six first round picks may end up being the return for Mitchell, the Knicks won’t give up most of their young core to make this happen.
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To get something you have to give up something. Keep Toppin and give Danny the 7 or 8 picks he needs. James ****in' Dolan! :cheers:
[QUOTE]Over the coming weeks, expect negotiations to continue between the two sides, but if the Jazz want a record haul of picks, as many expect them to get more picks in return than the Rudy Gobert deal, they’ll need to lower their expectations on the player return from The Big Apple.
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Don't count on Danny giving up much. He wants Grimes and the picks and pick swaps and whatever else he can get out of them. Sounds like to me you can throw in whatever other players in that you want if you give Danny that. I'm sure pick swaps will be a whole other thing! He owes Mr. James ****in Dolan that much at least! :D
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/16/what-should-be-the-jazzs-asking-price-for-donovan-mitchell/[/url]
[QUOTE]After getting a huge haul for former All-Star center Rudy Golbert, the[URL="http://www.thejnotes.com"] Utah Jazz[/URL] are now open to trading [URL="https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mitchdo01.html"]Donovan Mitchell[/URL] and should have a steep asking price for Mitchell. While that could mean a lengthy rebuild for the Jazz, they could get even more in return for Mitchell. After all, he’s five years younger than Golbert, is a three-time All-Star, and is under contract for at least three more seasons.
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younger and overpaid. Who wants to pay the price?
[QUOTE]All that works out well for the Jazz, who now have the NBA’s hottest trade asset, even surpassing Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant. That gives them the ability to further reset the roster and add even more assets for the future. But what should the asking price for Mitchell be? Let’s examine.
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not sure I'd call him hotter than Durant. Jazz might get more for him than Brooklyn will but more teams want Durant. He's one of the all time greats. Mitchell isn't! Only Lebron wants Kyrie! :roll:
[QUOTE]The Jazz’s decision to listen to offers for Mitchell is likely due to several factors. One is that replacing Golbert is nearly impossible, so the team will probably be worse next season. After winning a respectable 49 games, finishing 5th in the West, and losing in the first round, taking a step back could mean that they’re only a play-in team next season.
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they would keep Mitchell if they thought he was going to carry them to titles. He won't. They would be bad
[QUOTE]The San Antonio Spurs dealt Murray to the Atlanta Hawks and given his similarities to Mitchell; the Jazz should look at what the Spurs got for him. Both guards are 25 years old, and while Murray is a better defender and passer, Mitchell is a better shooter and overall offensive player.
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I'd much rather have the two way stat stuffer myself. But James ****in' Dolan!
[QUOTE]In fact, they have a total of eleven first round picks, and young players like Emmanuel Quickly, Quintin Grimes, and Obi Toppin available to trade. It remains to be seen what the return for Mitchell will actually be. That said, the Jazz’s asking price should be at least five first round picks, two pick swaps, and a couple of promising prospects.
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the price is more than that. Might not be the final price but currently it's 7 1sts and Grimes at least
[url]https://sircharlesincharge.com/2022/07/15/nba-trade-rumors-raptors-bogdanovic-target/[/url]
[QUOTE]Bogdanovic is on an expiring contract with the Jazz and likely won’t be part of the rebuilding phase in Utah. It wouldn’t be surprising if he was shopped before the season but could be more of a deadline day target. Unless the Jazz tries to staple him to a possible Donovan Mitchell deal.
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ideally it all happens before camp starts in about two more months!
[url]https://fansided.com/2022/07/15/jazz-heat-donovan-mitchell-trade-offer-rumors/[/url]
[QUOTE]The other important wrinkle in this is Utah has already orchestrated one blockbuster trade of epic proportions this summer. By trading away Rudy Gobert to the Minnesota Timberwolves, Utah has reset the market for what it takes to give up an All-NBA caliber player. While they got a boatload of picks from Minnesota for Gobert, they may have hurt themselves a bit with Mitchell’s market.
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Doesn't sound like it's hurt them at all. Mitchell is bringing them at least 4 1sts from the sound of it and maybe 7! We'll see what Ainge ends up settling for but it's a lot more than Mitchell will ever be worth. The Gobert trade they won't likely win. Minnesota likely ends up with the best player