Jokic is the 4th best player of all time

I don’t know about 4th best player or all time. That’s obviously very subjective and often times nostalgia based. And we of course can never know what Jokic and Wilt would look like playing in the same league.

BUT…I got to thinking and he’s been pretty unanimously the best player in the world for about 3 years now. Rings can be luck based at times but looking through the lists of top guys…very few people have had a 3 year (and who knows when this even ends) run like that as a completely accepted BITW. You can’t count the amount of times that’s happened on two hands. Closer to 5 than 10 honestly.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14990660]I don’t know about 4th best player or all time. That’s obviously very subjective and often times nostalgia based. And we of course can never know what Jokic and Wilt would look like playing in the same league.

BUT…I got to thinking and he’s been pretty unanimously the best player in the world for about 3 years now. Rings can be luck based at times but looking through the lists of top guys…very few people have had a 3 year (and who knows when this even ends) run like that as a completely accepted BITW. You can’t count the amount of times that’s happened on two hands. Closer to 5 than 10 honestly.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, everyone is denying it and trying to pivot to "bUt RiNgZ". It's pathetic.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14990806]Exactly, everyone is denying it and trying to pivot to "bUt RiNgZ". It's pathetic.[/QUOTE]

I get the rings argument depending on your criteria.

But when it comes to just basketball and how good you are? Jokic is up there for me. Best offensive player that I seen when it comes to impact.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14990296]Jokic isn't lazy on defense, that's ridiculous. He leads the league in deflections for 6 years in a row now (for centers), leads the league by far in kick balls, always good with steals, and has a really high BBIQ. He easily calls out and stops other offensive plays just through communication alone.[/QUOTE]
Noone is doubting his BBIQ, he is one of top 5 in BBIQ in NBA history. He has a ton of games where he eases on plays.

[QUOTE=hold this L;14991020]Noone is doubting his BBIQ, he is one of top 5 in BBIQ in NBA history. He has a ton of games where he eases on plays.[/QUOTE]

I'm not going to argue too much about this, because no player is perfect.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14991082]I'm not going to argue too much about this, because no player is perfect.[/QUOTE]

There's a difference between asking for perfection.. and this.
[url]https://x.com/_JasonLT/status/1909288743976251616[/url]

A whole section off one game only. 1-2 few are minor, but there's some legitimately pathetic defending happening here. You want to add the level of hype that comes with that level of player, and it will also come with scrutiny.

[QUOTE=hold this L;14991084]There's a difference between asking for perfection.. and this.
[url]https://x.com/_JasonLT/status/1909288743976251616[/url]

A whole section off one game only. 1-2 few are minor, but there's some legitimately pathetic defending happening here. You want to add the level of hype that comes with that level of player, and it will also come with scrutiny.[/QUOTE]
Elite defender according to OP :yaohappy:

[QUOTE=hold this L;14991084]There's a difference between asking for perfection.. and this.
[url]https://x.com/_JasonLT/status/1909288743976251616[/url]

A whole section off one game only. 1-2 few are minor, but there's some legitimately pathetic defending happening here. You want to add the level of hype that comes with that level of player, and it will also come with scrutiny.[/QUOTE]

I'm fine with scrunity. Jokic is an average defender when all things are considered (at least in the last 3-4 years, he as definitely bad his first couple of years in the NBA).

An average defender PLUS all the stuff he does on offense/rebounding makes him a GOAT. Jokic is the best scorer/rebounder/passer of all time in my opinion, even over Lebron. Lebron's advantage is on the defensive side plus GOAT longevity.

Considering what 40 year old LeBron is doing to the league I think if he was in his 20s rn people would laugh at the idea of Jokic being compared to him. But we’ve established OP is the buzzfeed of ish already.

[video=youtube_share;Q5roqoxL2qw]https://youtu.be/Q5roqoxL2qw[/video]

defensive genius :oldlol: more like the Luka Doncic of Centers :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=ImKobe;14991103][video=youtube_share;Q5roqoxL2qw]https://youtu.be/Q5roqoxL2qw[/video]

defensive genius :oldlol: more like the Luka Doncic of Centers :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

Anyone can do this to any player. It's easy to cherry pick plays to make videos and fake narrative.

Jokic's peak is one of the top 5 most impactful peaks on record. It's not debatable.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14991104]Anyone can do this to any player. It's easy to cherry pick plays to make videos and fake narrative.

Jokic's peak is one of the top 5 most impactful peaks on record. It's not debatable.[/QUOTE]

half the plays are like from one game lol and a Game 7 at that.


I might even agree with the peak sentiment in terms of his production but he's an average defender and it's reflected in his team's defense being average or worse for most of his career and he's had solid players around him. Him and Murray are not good defenders and adding Russ wasn't going to help either. Thing is though an ATG Center should be great defensively or that's usually how it goes but he's the exception.

Jesus that video is damning. But but his DPBM!!!!!

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and anyone who takes that the wrong way....you know why they take it the wrong way

- Most points conceded ever in a an NBA playoff half.
- 16/19 FG made in the paint at the half.


He's one of the best offensive weapons in NBA history but a terrible defender.