ISH All-time Top 25 Guards Project: #2 Kobe Bryant vs Magic Johnson.

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Gifted Mind disagrees and many observers of the game disagree with you, strongly on that one:

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157369[/url][/QUOTE]


Shaq - "Kobe is the best player in the world" 2001

Phil Jackson - "Kobe is the best allaround player I ever coached" 2001

ESPN - "Kobe is the leagues best player at 22 years old" 2001

Kobe = 33PPG 7REB 7AST in the WCFinals (the real NBA Championship vs the Spurs)



now i respect the hard core online fan to an extent...but we are the minority here...especially 99% of the people in that thread:lol they make up about 3% of the NBA's fanbase


anyone who watches the game...knew then and knows now....kobe was absolutley the best allaround player on the 2001 Lakers....it aint even close.

alphawolf mad as hell right now :roll:

lets just move on to magic vs mike before the kobe trolls continue to bitch... magic already has the vote count

[QUOTE=Mr. I'm So Rad]:roll:[/QUOTE]
He's not making his point in a very nonbiased manner, but you could argue his point to some extent if you kept your biases out of it. I don't necessarily agree or disagree with him, but there hasn't been any one year where Kobe was far and away the best in the NBA; there's always been at least one other guy who has at least some argument to be equal and/or better.

[QUOTE=RRR3]He's not making his point in a very nonbiased manner, but you could argue his point to some extent if you kept your biases out of it. I don't necessarily agree or disagree with him, but there hasn't been any one year where Kobe was far and away the best in the NBA; there's always been at least one other guy who has at least some argument to be equal and/or better.[/QUOTE]

Girl's name in avatar, please ? :P

[QUOTE=Droid101]This is a joke, right?

So you're saying if a dude averaged 40ppg, 9.5rpg, 8.5apg, 55% shooting, and missed the playoffs because his teammates (combined) averaged 45ppg, 15rpg, 5apg, and 31% shooting, he's not the most valuable player?

Get the **** outta here with that noise. It ain't his fault his teammates suck.[/QUOTE]

you're basically describing the best player in the history world, or a serious case of stat padding. either way that fictional superman isn't a value to his team, so no he shouldn't be mvp

your beef is with the nba. tell the angel of stern to change to name of the award

[QUOTE=Boston C's]alphawolf mad as hell right now :roll:

lets just move on to magic vs mike before the kobe trolls continue to bitch... magic already has the vote count[/QUOTE]


Mad because 10 fans online think Kobe is nowhere near Magic:lol



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[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Girl's name in avatar, please ? :P[/QUOTE]
Go to my thread in the OTC. Join the legion! If you post in the thread I'll add more pics :D

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]Mad because 10 fans online think Kobe is nowhere near Magic:lol



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Dayum son, you done got goddurn more irked than a hogtied piglet stuck in the bayou! Git a gree-yip dere, boy!

[QUOTE=RRR3]He's not making his point in a very nonbiased manner, but you could argue his point to some extent if you kept your biases out of it. I don't necessarily agree or disagree with him, but there hasn't been any one year where Kobe was far and away the best in the NBA; there's always been at least one other guy who has at least some argument to be equal and/or better.[/QUOTE]

You could argue that with anyone. It depends on what you look at and value most. When it comes to basketball there are very few inarguable things

[QUOTE=Droid101]This is a joke, right?

So you're saying if a dude averaged 40ppg, 9.5rpg, 8.5apg, 55% shooting, and missed the playoffs because his teammates (combined) averaged 45ppg, 15rpg, 5apg, and 31% shooting, he's not the most valuable player?

[B]Get the **** outta here with that noise. It ain't his fault his teammates suck.[/B][/QUOTE]

Yet, Kobe still had Lamar Odom for those 3 years, Phil Jackson and the triangle offense and couldn't lead his team to more than 45 wins, the 7th seed, and past the first round.

I thought Kobe was supposed to be a leader, right ? He wanted to be the man in L.A., right ? No more being a sidekick ?

It's not all about numbers. Wilt Chamberlain didn't MVP either when he posted up 50+ppg and 25+rpg.

How you lead your teams to wins in the regular season, how you make your teammates better, how you make your teammates believe in a philosophy of your team, defensive mentality, etc.. Is what builds up the body of work for an MVP.

You want MVP ? Build up your resume, build up your teammates, domniate the league, lots of wins, be the clear cut best player on your team as well be the best team out there, etc..

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]generally?

ok...

2009 he was the best player on the best team...

2010 he was the best player on the best team...

2001 he was the best player on the best team...



all very impressive statistical seasons.....with some of the best playoff runs ever....should have been MVP ...

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in none of those years did the lakers have the league's best record

and in 2001 shaq was their best player

derp

[QUOTE=Mr. I'm So Rad]You could argue that with anyone. It depends on what you look at and value most. When it comes to basketball there are very few inarguable things[/QUOTE]
There are some years it hasn't been arguable though, say with Shaq some years and MJ, Wilt, Kareem, etc.

[QUOTE=Mr. I'm So Rad]You could argue that with anyone. It depends on what you look at and value most. [B]When it comes to basketball there are very few inarguable things[/B][/QUOTE]

Which would be ?

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Yet, Kobe still had Lamar Odom for those 3 years, Phil Jackson and the triangle offense and couldn't lead his team to more than 45 wins, the 7th seed, and past the first round.

I thought Kobe was supposed to be a leader, right ? He wanted to be the man in L.A., right ? No more being a sidekick ?

It's not all about numbers. Wilt Chamberlain didn't MVP either when he posted up 50+ppg and 25+rpg.

How you lead your teams to wins in the regular season, how you make your teammates better, how you make your teammates believe in a philosophy of your team, defensive mentality, etc.. Is what builds up the body of work for an MVP.

You want MVP ? Build up your resume, build up your teammates, domniate the league, lots of wins, be the clear cut best player on your team as well be the best team out there, etc..[/QUOTE]


Link to thread: [url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=235837&page=7[/url]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Link to thread: [url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=235837&page=7[/url][/QUOTE]

Oh thanks, but i already found it when you told me ;).