"Pippen was the best player in the world in 93, 94, 95" - Dennis Rodman

[QUOTE=And1AllDay;14336139]penny on a 1 yr rental maybe but pippens girth for 8 years of service is unbeatable 91 to 98

kemp is a joke :oldlol: i hope[/QUOTE]

You had to watch Kemp in the playoffs from '95-'97. The impact he brought against the likes of Malone, Barkley, Hakeem, and Rodman down low can't be ignored. Kemp was legit. But I still wouldn't take Kemp then as opposed to Pippen from 1991-94, per say.

[QUOTE=Phoenix;14336142]Ah yeah there's nothing in my post that even remotely infers I'm talking about David Robinson, or anyone else really. Frankly the MVP topic is whatever, I do know that the term 'best non-center' was thrown around alot in reference to Scottie in that 94-95 period.[/QUOTE]

I don't mean you. I'm asking you but in relation to the claims 97 bulls is making.

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14336120]No one is claiming players get a pass. But when you're going to go with All-NBA votes or any voting, then you have to be on the court for them to give you votes.

Here's something to consider. Pippen was [B]All NBA 3rd team[/B] in 1998, but he missed [B]38[/B] games. Do you honestly think if Pippen was healthy that he'd get [I]less[/I] votes than Vin Baker (All-NBA 2nd Team)?

My point is that totaling votes for these awards without context does little justice to the discussion.[/QUOTE]

Pippen was injured too Hoops. Now were penalizing him because he played through injury unlike others? 22/7/6 on 50% shooting while running the number 1 rated offense and anchoring the number 1 rated defense and being the best defender in the league? That's great impact.

[QUOTE=97 bulls;14336147]Pippen was injured too Hoops. Now were penalizing him because he played through injury unlike others? 22/7/6 on 50% shooting while running the number 1 rated offense and anchoring the number 1 rated defense and being the best defender in the league? That's great impact.[/QUOTE]

You're dodging the premise of my post. The point is that Pippen not being All-NBA 1st or 2nd team via votes has nothing to do with ability when we look at 1998.

Similarly, it's unfair to look at 1994-96, collectively, while not considering the same for all the guys previously mentioned.

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14336133]22/7/6 on 48-50% was his standard, with similar numbers on poor efficiency in the playoffs, even when healthy. We saw that in 1994 and 1995. How does that override what Ewing did, leading his team to a better record, or what guys like Robinson did, which included actually winning an MVP?

If Pippen was clearly the better player like 97 bulls is claiming, then Chicago had a better 1-2 punch in Pippen/Grant over Ewing/Starks. Yet somehow Chicago lost?[/QUOTE]

Dude, why do you keep bringing up other players in this manner? I was talking about what Scottie was doing for the first half of 1996. That's it. Why are you bringing Patrick Ewing or David Robinson into this? I havent referenced anything about Scottie in contrast to those guys in any posts above. You're bringing up talking points between you and 97 Bulls and injecting them into your replies to me. Can we keep replies within the context of what a particular post is saying?

[QUOTE=Phoenix;14336142]Ah yeah there's nothing in my post that even remotely infers I'm talking about David Robinson, or anyone else really. Frankly the MVP topic is whatever, I do know that the term 'best non-center' was thrown around alot in reference to Scottie in that 94-95 period.[/QUOTE]

In this video. Isiah Thomas says Pippen was the 2nd best player in the league after Jordan over the last 4-5 years. I believe he said that in 98.

[url]https://youtu.be/z1hfI8kjriM[/url]

[QUOTE=Phoenix;14336155]Dude, why do you keep bringing up other players in this manner? I was talking about what Scottie was doing for the first half of 1996. That's it. Why are you bringing Patrick Ewing or David Robinson into this? I havent referenced anything about Scottie in contrast to those guys in any posts above. You're bringing up talking about between you and 97 Bulls and injecting then into your replies to me. Can we keep replies within the context of what a particular post is saying?[/QUOTE]

Once again, I'm asking you (as an impartial person) in relation to what 97 bulls said. I should have specified that in my posts so please excuse me.

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14336153]You're dodging the premise of my post. The point is that Pippen not being All-NBA 1st or 2nd team via votes has nothing to do with ability when we look at 1998.

Similarly, it's unfair to look at 1994-96, collectively, while not considering the same for all the guys previously mentioned.[/QUOTE]

I'm not dodging anything. I accepted your assertion that Barkley lost out in the All-NBA voting to Pippen because he was injured. I only said, SO WAS PIPPEN. Why are the standards different?

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14336161]Once again, I'm asking you (as an impartial person) in relation to what 97 bulls. I should have specified that in my posts so please excuse me.[/QUOTE]

You're asking me do I think Scottie balling out for half the 96 season supersedes the Admiral winning MVP in 94? No, though I'm not sure what one really has to do with the other, but I only skimmed through some of the earlier posts hence why my comments weren't focused on Scottie vs player X. Mostly I'm just tired of the conversations around him( not your comments specifically) being dragged through the mud of camps on either side of the MJ/Lebron debate. You literally cannot discuss the guy here before the discussion goes to shit by the 3rd post.

[QUOTE=Phoenix;14336167]You're asking me do I think Scottie balling out for half the 96 season supersedes the Admiral winning MVP in 94? No, though I'm not sure what one really has to do with the other, but I only skimmed through some of the earlier posts hence why my comments weren't focused on Scottie vs player X. Mostly I'm just tired of the conversations around him( not your comments specifically) being dragged through the mud of camps on either side of the MJ/Lebron debate.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough

[QUOTE=97 bulls;14336160]In this video. Isiah Thomas says Pippen was the 2nd best player in the league after Jordan over the last 4-5 years. I believe he said that in 98.

[url]https://youtu.be/z1hfI8kjriM[/url][/QUOTE]

I always liked that vid. Theres another one, think 'Ultimate defender's or something like that that's a great watch too. You've probably seen it.

[QUOTE=Phoenix;14336171]I always liked that vid. Theres another one, think 'Ultimate defender's or something like that that's a great watch too. You've probably seen it.[/QUOTE]

I did see that video. What I find interesting is the comments. Stark contrast from what we see in this forum.

[QUOTE=97 bulls;14336179]I did see that video. What I find interesting is the comments. Stark contrast from what we see in this forum.[/QUOTE]

Admins allowed this forum to become a troll fest. Real, good faith basketball discussion occurs very far away from here.

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14336115]Pippen being pushed for MVP overrides David Robinson [I]actually[/I] winning an MVP award? I'm not saying you're saying this, but 97 bulls clearly is making the case that Pippen > Robinson between 1994-96. I can't really fathom that, lol.[/QUOTE]

I'm saying Pippen was a top 5 player. Definitely in the conversation.

You seem to think that's preposterous. That he wasnt that highly regarded. That's when you get inundated with a plethora of information from Coaches, players, GMs, the media, and even fans. At some point, it's not cherry picking as you called it.

I mean, Pippen was getting praise by some of the most arrogant players the league has ever seen in guys like MJ and Barkley, perhaps his biggest enemy (Isiah Thomas) said he was the 2nd best player after Jordan over the last 4-5 seasons. We got more guys calling him what I call him than what you call him.

Maybe you need to reevaluate your assessment bro. I mean, theres no reason for people to lie for Pippen. Prior to MJs retirement, people were calling the Bulls a one man show. It was Michael and the Jordanaires. They saw the growth.

[QUOTE=Phoenix;14336188]Admins allowed this forum to become a troll fest. Real, good faith basketball discussion occurs very far away from here.[/QUOTE]

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