Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan

[QUOTE=3ba11;14850197]The problem with today's game is the top class of players is small and far superior to the middle class, who are mostly robotic 3-and-D guys created by the 3-pointer brand of ball.

Accordingly, great players have a greater edge over the lower classes of players (3-and-D robots) than previous eras did.. Lebron's edge over a 3-and-D pawn like Taureen Prince is greater than Jordan's edge over the lower class of player in 2002, who were still a diverse class of players (not 3-and-D robots/unskillsed)[/QUOTE]

MJ played in a historically weak conference, you had the weak ass Nets make the Finals in both years he was in Washington. Couldn't even lead them to the playoffs. LOL.

I believe peak MJ > peak LeBron, but to say Washington MJ was better than current LeBron is laughable to me.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14850199]MJ played in a historically weak conference, you had the weak ass Nets make the Finals in both years he was in Washington. Couldn't even lead them to the playoffs. LOL.

I believe peak MJ > peak LeBron, but to say Washington MJ was better than current LeBron is laughable to me.[/QUOTE]

you are free to have that opinion but using those bullshit stats doesn't help your case.

what i do know it that the early 2000's period was the hardest period to score in modern history. zone defense was allowed, physical play was allowed and teams weren't spacing the floor with multiple shooters yet. and yet jordan was still capable of going off for 40 and 50 with nothing but skill on his side.

lebron is currently playing is a much softer league where it's wayyy easier to score. not only that but in the era of small ball lebron sometimes ends up being the biggest and strongest player on the court by default, giving him a physical advantage that jordan never had.

i do think what lebron is doing is impressive, but i honestly think 40 year old jordan would also be a problem in this league. especially if he played with another all star and a solid cast of shooters.

[QUOTE=Baller234;14850201]you are free to have that opinion but using those bullshit stats doesn't help your case.

what i do know it that the early 2000's period was the hardest period to score in modern history. zone defense was allowed, physical play was allowed and teams weren't spacing the floor with multiple shooters yet. and yet jordan was still capable of going off for 40 and 50 with nothing but skill on his side.

lebron is currently playing is a much softer league where it's wayyy easier to score. not only that but in the era of small ball lebron sometimes ends up being the biggest and strongest player on the court by default, giving him a physical advantage that jordan never had.

i do think what lebron is doing is impressive, but i honestly think 40 year old jordan would also be a problem in this league. especially if he played with another all star and a solid cast of shooters.[/QUOTE]

It was harder to score, but I'm not giving MJ automatic points for playing under those conditions.

MJ's TS% in his Washington's years was only 48%, league average at the time was at 52%.

He was basically less efficient than your average NBA player at the time, not to mention by that point he didn't provide much defense and he was NEVER the playmaker LeBron was. It's pretty clear LeBron is better, and it's only LeBron haters who say otherwise.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14850199]Washington MJ was better than current LeBron is laughable to me.[/QUOTE]


Before MJ got hurt at 39 years old, the 38-year old MJ > 38-year Lebron based on scoring, clutch, defense, ball control, brand of ball and winning (30-30 or 26-21 pre-injury)

Let me know when Lebron drops 40 and 50 like MJ did in a league that allowed 15 less ppg and lacked spacing or hands-off beginner format

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14850202]It was harder to score, but I'm not giving MJ automatic points for playing under those conditions.

MJ's TS% in his Washington's years was only 48%, league average at the time was at 52%.

He was basically less efficient than your average NBA player at the time, not to mention by that point he didn't provide much defense and he was NEVER the playmaker LeBron was. It's pretty clear LeBron is better, and it's only LeBron haters who say otherwise.[/QUOTE]

you guys are obsessed with made up advanced statistics that have little relevance over the actual game.

even if we were to concede ground to your ridiculous statistical argument, the difference between shooting 48% and 52% is negligible at best. it's hardly conclusive proof of anything at all.

lebron and his fans have been warped to focus on stats and numbers and nothing else.

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[QUOTE=Baller234;14850218]you guys are obsessed with made up advanced statistics that have little relevance over the actual game.

even if we were to concede ground to your ridiculous statistical argument, the difference between shooting 48% and 52% is negligible at best. it's hardly conclusive proof of anything at all.

lebron and his fans have been warped to focus on stats and numbers and nothing else.

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You basically just described 3ball, a dude who is obsessed with stats. Dude was out here gloating that Washington MJ had a higher PER than LeBron early last year but went quiet when LeBron surpassed him in PER.

I just showed you MJ was less efficient than your average NBA player in his Washington years while also not providing not much else to other aspects of the game and your response was "stats don't matter". That's weak :oldlol:

Whenever baller tries to talk basketball he gets brutally embarrassed. He should stick to the political forum, although he gets brutally embarrassed there too at least he has chewing for backup.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14850219]You basically just described 3ball, a dude who is obsessed with stats. Dude was out here gloating that Washington MJ had a higher PER than LeBron early last year but went quiet when LeBron surpassed him in PER.

I just showed you MJ was less efficient than your average NBA player in his Washington years while also not providing not much else to other aspects of the game and your response was "stats don't matter". That's weak :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

efficiency is something only stat dorks care about. that counts for made up advanced statistics as well.

the most efficient team doesn't always win. you can either play for numbers or you can play for results. i only care about winning and i don't care if you win efficiently or not.

and yes the difference between shooting 48% and 52% is negligible to the point where it shouldn't even be discussed. you're splitting hairs. if you wanna use this ridiculous number to insinuate that jordan wasn't a good shooter, even though he was killing teams from mid range, then by all means go ahead.

if jordan had another star player on that team of AD's caliber i.e. a potential top 10 guy in the league, the wizards with 40 year old jordan could have made the finals.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14850220]Whenever baller tries to talk basketball he gets brutally embarrassed. He should stick to the political forum, although he gets brutally embarrassed there too at least he has chewing for backup.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Baller234;14850221]efficiency is something only stat dorks care about. that counts for made up advanced statistics as well.

the most efficient team doesn't always win. you can either play for numbers or you can play for results. i only care about winning and i don't care if you win efficiently or not.

and yes the difference between shooting 48% and 52% is negligible to the point where it shouldn't even be discussed. you're splitting hairs. if you wanna use this ridiculous number to insinuate that jordan wasn't a good shooter, even though he was killing teams from mid range, then by all means go ahead.

if jordan had another star player on that team of AD's caliber i.e. a potential top 10 guy in the league, the wizards with 40 year old jordan could have made the finals.[/QUOTE]

Only care about "winning", but ignores the fact that the Wizards went 37-45 with MJ. :oldlol:

And I don't know why you keep saying the difference between 48% & 52% isn't much when the gap between MJ & LeBron was far greater.

MJ had a 48 TS%
LeBron's TS% last season and so far this year is at 59%

That's a big gap.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14850224]Only care about "winning", but ignores the fact that the Wizards went 37-45 with MJ. :oldlol:

And I don't know why you keep saying the difference between 48% & 52% isn't much when the gap between MJ & LeBron was far greater.

MJ had a 48 TS%
LeBron's TS% last season and so far this year is at 59%

That's a big gap.[/QUOTE]

and once again you are comparing two players across 20 years knowing full well that the league today is basically the globetrotters vs. the generals.

lebron didn't shoot above 50% until the 2009 season just as the league was transitioning into space and pace. before that he was sub 50% just like all the other elite wings.

[QUOTE=Baller234;14850231]and once again you are comparing two players across 20 years knowing full well that the league today is basically the globetrotters vs. the generals.

lebron didn't shoot above 50% until the 2009 season just as the league was transitioning into space and pace. before that he was sub 50% just like all the other elite wings.[/QUOTE]
The league transitioning to pace and space in 2009 is one of the most hilarious things I've ever read. You are dumber than a sack of hammers. Fully expecting you to start jerking off about trans people again because you have no actual arguments.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14850233]The league transitioning to pace and space in 2009 is one of the most hilarious things I've ever read. You are dumber than a sack of hammers. Fully expecting you to start jerking off about trans people again because you have no actual arguments.[/QUOTE]

not shocked a guy who can't tell a boy from a girl can't comprehend the basketball games he's watching.

[QUOTE=Baller234;14850231]and once again you are comparing two players across 20 years knowing full well that the league today is basically the globetrotters vs. the generals.

lebron didn't shoot above 50% until the 2009 season just as the league was transitioning into space and pace. before that he was sub 50% just like all the other elite wings.[/QUOTE]

We can compare their efficiency to their own league if you want.

MJ: 48 TS% . League Average: 52%
LeBron 58 TS% . League average: 58%

LeBron more efficient no matter how much you try to move the goal posts.

This dude is bringing up trans people in a debate about BASKETBALL. His mind is DISEASED.