MJ's 1988 DPOY is now being "Questioned". HOME vs ROAD Steals has twice as much Gap

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14924462]A.

All of Wilt's and Russell's 40 rebound games happened at home. Something fishy was going on. No stats from the 60's through the 90's should be trusted.[/QUOTE]


the 50's and 60's was the real crap shoot - that's when it really was janitors and plumbers - but the 90's was a lot of the same guys that Lebron played against like KG, Kobe, Duncan, Kidd, etc

Bron fans just can't accept that their guy finished with less titles and accolade despite playing nearly twice as long

[QUOTE=3ba11;14924465]the 50's and 60's was the real crap shoot - that's when it really was janitors and plumbers - but the 90's was a lot of the same guys that Lebron played against like KG, Kobe, Duncan, Kidd, etc[/QUOTE]

What does this have to do with what I just posted? :oldlol:

[QUOTE=3ba11;14924465]the 50's and 60's was the real crap shoot - that's when it really was janitors and plumbers - but the 90's was a lot of the same guys that Lebron played against like KG, Kobe, Duncan, Kidd, etc

[B]Bron fans just can't accept that their guy finished with less titles and accolade despite playing nearly twice as long[/B][/QUOTE]

Ouch.....

[QUOTE]On a recent episode of “The Shop,” James was asked if there was an award he wished he had won. “Yeah,” James said. “Defensive Player of the Year. That’s the only award that I don’t have in my house. It kinda [B]stings[/B].”[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14924468]What does this have to do with what I just posted? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]


I said the 60's was the crap shoot and the era where the stat-keepers were tracking the stats on the backs of envelopes... not the 80's or 90's

[QUOTE=theman93;14924274]Nice strawman. I’ve never said for anyone to trust me. I’ve simply stated that’s what Haberstroh has done. No footage, no clips, no gifs, no pictures, no nothing — just Haberstroh and the underground Latvian’s alleged word. Little idiot content creators all over YouTube and Twitter are able to post clips all the time, but Haberstroh can’t with this magnitude of an allegation? In an obvious hit piece? LOL ok :roll:[/QUOTE]
Strawman? :facepalm I get that this can't be true in your world of worship, I get it. Out here in reality though? The games are listed with dates and opponents for you to follow up the research as you please. Have you? Here you go:

Atlanta at Chicago: Nov. 20, 1987

Indiana at Chicago: Jan. 5, 1988

Denver at Chicago: Jan. 7, 1988

Detroit at Chicago: Jan. 16, 1988

Atlanta at Chicago: Feb. 15, 1988

Boston at Chicago: Mar. 18, 1988
Also they explicitly state the games aren't anywhere online and they used VHS recordings from a trading club. If they wanted the games online the club would have released them already, us grown ups know the NBA would have them taken down if they aren't already available. Again you don't strike me as the sharpest knife in the drawer, but you're too old to be this slow.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14924473]I said the 60's was the crap shoot and the era where the stat-keepers were tracking the stats on the backs of envelopes... not the 80's or 90's[/QUOTE]

This gets thrown at the window when the 90s Grizzlies scorekeeper has already been exposed to padding stats. Even the Lakers scorekeeper around that same time frame gave Van Exel fraud 23 assists in a game

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14924477]This gets thrown at the window when the 90s Grizzlies scorekeeper has already been exposed to padding stats. Even the Lakers scorekeeper around that same time frame gave Van Exel fraud 23 assists in a game[/QUOTE]

And what's lost on everyone is the Bulls keeper specifically was super long tenured and was known for making a guy famous with his stat keeping "prowess".

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14924446]Says the dude whose in total denial that Jordan's numbers were fudged and nothing wrong took place even after the scorekeeper said it was true[/QUOTE]

says the dude whose in total denial that Jordan's "away" numbers may have been UNDERreported as Yahoo Article deliberately did not look any random 6 "away" games to balance out 6 "home" games. "away" scorekeeper may have been helping "elite" teams, NBAs best lakers, celtics, sixers.

for example 1988 Portland "scorekeeper" could deliberately UNDERreporting MJs "stocks" as just pure jealousy. They had a chance of drafting MJ at #2. Since, their draft is a bust, them punishing 1988 MJ incl portland media deliberately NOT voting MJ is all possible.

who has ever looked into this.

You want to call "fraud", look into the whole thing and call everything "fraud."

MJ not winning 1987 and 1989 and 1990 season MVPs itself is a "fraud" vote in favor of Magic to get him equal to Larry's 3 MVPs count.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;14924475]Strawman? :facepalm I get that this can't be true in your world of worship, I get it. Out here in reality though? The games are listed with dates and opponents for you to follow up the research as you please. Have you? Here you go:

Atlanta at Chicago: Nov. 20, 1987

Indiana at Chicago: Jan. 5, 1988

Denver at Chicago: Jan. 7, 1988

Detroit at Chicago: Jan. 16, 1988

Atlanta at Chicago: Feb. 15, 1988

Boston at Chicago: Mar. 18, 1988
Also they explicitly state the games aren't anywhere online and they used VHS recordings from a trading club. If they wanted the games online the club would have released them already, us grown ups know the NBA would have them taken down if they aren't already available. Again you don't strike me as the sharpest knife in the drawer, but you're too old to be this slow.[/QUOTE]


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If you were a fan that was trying to count Jordan's steals for the game shown above and counted the play above as a Jordan steal, you wouldn't know for certain if the steal was actually credited to Jordan, or if the steal was credited to Mike Brown - only the record-keepers are tracking that and know that information.

that's why it's impossible to even count Jordan's steals accurately - the whole project was bs

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;14924475]Strawman? :facepalm I get that this can't be true in your world of worship, I get it. Out here in reality though? The games are listed with dates and opponents for you to follow up the research as you please. Have you? Here you go:

Atlanta at Chicago: Nov. 20, 1987

Indiana at Chicago: Jan. 5, 1988

Denver at Chicago: Jan. 7, 1988

Detroit at Chicago: Jan. 16, 1988

Atlanta at Chicago: Feb. 15, 1988

Boston at Chicago: Mar. 18, 1988
Also they explicitly state the games aren't anywhere online and they used VHS recordings from a trading club. If they wanted the games online the club would have released them already, us grown ups know the NBA would have them taken down if they aren't already available. Again you don't strike me as the sharpest knife in the drawer, but you're too old to be this slow.[/QUOTE]

I'm well aware of the games allegedly collected from the underground interwebz. You're assuming he's 1) even actually watched them 2) telling the truth and 3) counting what he sees correctly. Until he and his source can be cross referenced it is all hearsay. Period the end.

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If you were a fan that was trying to count Jordan's steals for the game shown above and counted the play above as a Jordan steal, you wouldn't know for certain if the steal was actually credited to Jordan, or if the steal was credited to Mike Brown - only the record-keepers are tracking that and know that information.

That's why Haberstroh needed to count all the live ball turnovers in the game himself, and then claim that Jordan's reported steals were more than the live-ball turnovers - that's the only way to know that some of Jordan's steals were fraudulent without knowing who all the deflections and steals were credited to.

That's why the live-ball turnover thing mattered because it was the only fool-proof way to show that Jordan had fake steals - if Jordan's steals were higher than the live-ball turnovers, than voila - this shows that Jordan was credited with fake steals... [I]But we cannot verify the live-ball turnovers because Haberstroh chose 6 games that aren't available - he made sure that no one can verify his count of the live-ball turnovers.[/I][/QUOTE]

You keep reposting this to run away from explaining how 3 dead ball turnovers became 3 phantom steals for Mj. Not getting out of that one. Trying to focus on the steal they described as subjective is stupid when there's a huge elephant sitting in front of you.

[QUOTE=theman93;14924490]I'm well aware of the games allegedly collected from the underground interwebz. You're assuming he's 1) even actually watched them 2) telling the truth and 3) counting what he sees correctly. Until he and his source can be cross referenced it is all hearsay. Period the end.[/QUOTE]

I bet my house you keep that exact same energy for any story repeorted on Lebron and count it as hearsay until proven otherwise right? The stand up honorable fan you've proven to be.....:oldlol:

I just rewatched 10 lebron games and counted him shuffling his feet with poor footwork or committing offensive fouls on over 2/3rds of his possessions. We can therefor deduct his career ppg by at least 50%



sources: trust me bro

[QUOTE=theman93;14924490]I'm well aware of the games allegedly collected from the underground interwebz. You're assuming he's 1) even actually watched them 2) telling the truth and 3) counting what he sees correctly. Until he and his source can be cross referenced it is all hearsay. Period the end.[/QUOTE]

Please go a step further.......

Why Yahoo article fail to counter 6 HOME games with random 6 AWAY game from 1988 season!

It could've atleast BALANCED out the stat numbers. And this was "deliberately" overlooked.

Why is this Klutch Minion assuming AWAY scorekeepers did not UNDERreport 1988 MJ "stocks" deliberately because they had a chance to draft him (1985 portland) ahead of 1985 Bulls.

There is so much fishy stuff with this "fraud" article. Its easily discarted as a prank on MJs GOAT status.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;14924492]You keep reposting this to run away from explaining how 3 dead ball turnovers became 3 phantom steals for Mj. Not getting out of that one. Trying to focus on the steal they described as subjective is stupid when there's a huge elephant sitting in front of you.[/QUOTE]


you keep mentioning dead ball turnovers that have never been reported before except by Haberstroh

people don't realize that it's impossible to do this project - it's impossible to go back and count Jordan's steals because even if you think a close call wasn't a Jordan steal, you don't know who the scorekeepers gave the steal to - they might've given it to the other guy and not to Jordan... This makes the project unfeasible and no I don't trust Haberstroh's subjective count of the live-ball turnovers... this guy is a fraud - I would love to verify his work and I'm sure youtube channels like "Uncut Hoops" would like to verify it too, but we can't because of Haberstroh's careful game selection.. it's fraud.. he's a liar.