Cooper Flagg Discussion Thread

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14972287]Cooper with 24/6/5 in a 63 point defensive slugfest. Beast[/QUOTE]

One of his most impressive games.

:applause:

He did it again. This ***** done flew the Coop and raised the Flagg!

:applause:

- 28 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 1 turnover
- 8/17 FG, 1/4 3PT, 11/13 FT

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14970918]Guys like Ace Bailey and VJ Edgecombe are more so guys who'd benefit from staying in college. But even then, there's no guarantee they'd benefit because it ultimately comes down to the individual and their personality. It may just result in reinforcing bad habits because of the larger, primary role. Hero ball/ISO type of stuff.[/QUOTE]

Ace Bailey does not need to stay in college for another year. He’s a better scorer than Flagg. What does another year in college do? Nothing.

[QUOTE=GOBB;14972891]Ace Bailey does not need to stay in college for another year. He’s a better scorer than Flagg. What does another year in college do? Nothing.[/QUOTE]

Never said he should.

He wouldn't benefit from staying because he's a low IQ player (0.9 apg, 2.2 topg, 5.9 AST%, 10.7 TO% vs. 29.7 USG%) and I don't think he has the personality to change those bad habits. He doesn't have a good [I]feel[/I] for the five-on-five game; he doesn't strike me as a guy who'll ever "get it." So what's the point?

And Flagg is the better scorer right now:

Flagg: 19.9 ppg (37.7 per 100), 59.3% TS
Bailey: 19.8 ppg (33.6 per 100), 54.6% TS

Scores more and on comfortably higher efficiency. The only aspect Ace is better at is perimeter shooting. Cooper's superior rim pressure and foul-drawing/free-throw shooting are too great of an advantage. And when you add the other aspects of offense it's a landslide in favor of Cooper.

Since his 18th birthday:

- 9 games played; 33.0 minutes per game
- 23.9 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 4.7 apg, 1.2 spg, 1.0 bpg, 3.2 tov
- 63.5% 2pt, 42.9% 3pt, 84.9% ft, 69.5% true shooting

Recent form is heavily in Flagg's favor. He's putting up monster stats in a lot of high-leverage games. The last two have been really impressive.

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14972897]Never said he should.

He wouldn't benefit from staying because he's a low IQ player (0.9 apg, 2.2 topg, 5.9 AST%, 10.7 TO% vs. 29.7 USG%) and I don't think he has the personality to change those bad habits. He doesn't have a good [I]feel[/I] for the five-on-five game; he doesn't strike me as a guy who'll ever "get it." So what's the point?

And Flagg is the better scorer right now:

Flagg: 19.9 ppg (37.7 per 100), 59.3% TS
Bailey: 19.8 ppg (33.6 per 100), 54.6% TS

Scores more and on comfortably higher efficiency. The only aspect Ace is better at is perimeter shooting. Cooper's superior rim pressure and foul-drawing/free-throw shooting are too great of an advantage. And when you add the other aspects of offense it's a landslide in favor of Cooper.[/QUOTE]

Damn the glaze is real

[QUOTE=GOBB;14973028]Damn the glaze is real[/QUOTE]

Is it? I've watched both play many times thus far and Flagg is quite easily the better basketball player. Like it's really not close.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14973029]Is it? I've watched both play many times thus far and Flagg is quite easily the better basketball player. Like it's really not close.[/QUOTE]

GOBB's black half resents all the white players.

Surprised ESPN hasnt offered him a job.

Nobody going lottery is going to stay in college first of all.

Secondly Flagg and Ace are somewhat opposit as players on offense. Flagg is certainly better but Ace is still a very good prospect, just a hard one to project. Flagg excels at the things Ace struggles with, scoring inside and playmaking. But Ace can do things on the perimeter that few players can do.

Ace has already improved on some of his bad habits relative to earlier in the season. It isnt that easy to get assists on that team. I have seen him make a lot of good passes that would have resulted in assists if not for the lack of talent he's playing with.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14973029]Is it? I've watched both play many times thus far and Flagg is quite easily the better basketball player. Like it's really not close.[/QUOTE]

I never said he wasn’t the better basketball player. I said he was a better scorer and didn’t need another year in college as the other guy implied. By saying he has low IQ.

[QUOTE=GOBB;14973040]I never said he wasn’t the better basketball player. [B]I said he was a better scorer[/B] and didn’t need another year in college as the other guy implied. By saying he has low IQ.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. But even that is debatable.

He's a better pure shot maker, but he doesn't have the strength or touch to finish that well inside and he doesn't get to the line nearly like he should. Those are two big parts to scoring IMO.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14973044]Fair enough. But even that is debatable.

He's a better pure shot maker, but he doesn't have the strength or touch to finish that well inside and he doesn't get to the line nearly like he should. Those are two big parts to scoring IMO.[/QUOTE]

I agree with that.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14973035]

Ace has already improved on some of his bad habits relative to earlier in the season. It isnt that easy to get assists on that team. I have seen him make a lot of good passes that would have resulted in assists if not for the lack of talent he's playing with.[/QUOTE]

0.9 assists in college projects as a bust, don't really need to know more.

Going to be a black hole, scorer of the bench kind of guy at best.

[QUOTE=90sgoat;14973083]0.9 assists in college projects as a bust, don't really need to know more.

Going to be a black hole, scorer of the bench kind of guy at best.[/QUOTE]

In other words you haven't watched any of his games. Very few of his assist worthy passes actually get converted.

FYI Durant averaged 1.3 assists in college.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14973085]In other words you haven't watched any of his games. Very few of his assist worthy passes actually get converted.

FYI Durant averaged 1.3 assists in college.[/QUOTE]

I think I've seen a mixtape, he's some kind of tall wing who can drive and shoot, but doesn't look like he'll be elite in either.