Jokic is the 4th best player of all time

[QUOTE=hold this L;15002679]- Most points conceded ever in a an NBA playoff half.
- 16/19 FG made in the paint at the half.


He's one of the best offensive weapons in NBA history but a terrible defender.[/QUOTE]


I was gonna make a post about "10 years of on/off data says one thing, but one half of basketball says another, how could you think..."

But at some point you have to let people be fools. I cant make this poster more intelligent. I can correct him on one stupidity but tomorrow there will be another. And another the next day and on and on. I'd end up spending a life time.

Ive gotta be willing to let people be stupid now. I cant invest the time. I wont argue.

[QUOTE=tpols;14990301]Jokic and Curry are like mirrors of themselves from opposite ends of the positional line up spectrum.

Both offensive dynamos, Yolk more consistent, Chef more explosive, both above average defense impact despite an incorrect stigma that exists.

Both top 10 GOATs at the end of their careers. Guys like Magic and Bird are kind of slipping a little because you can't cry defense there when we pull the playoff numbers.[/QUOTE]

It’s pretty true

[QUOTE=hold this L;15002679]- Most points conceded ever in a an NBA playoff half.
- 16/19 FG made in the paint at the half.


He's one of the best offensive weapons in NBA history but a terrible defender.[/QUOTE]

He’s not a bad defender. He’s decent.

Some do the same thing they do with Curry, he has physical limitations so people assume he’s Steve Nash on D when really he’s above average. Same with Jokic where they act like he’s worse than Charles Barkley on D when he’s actually not.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15002681]It’s pretty true



He’s not a bad defender. He’s decent.

Some do the same thing they do with Curry, he has physical limitations so people assume he’s Steve Nash on D when really he’s above average. Same with Jokic where they act like he’s worse than Charles Barkley on D when he’s actually not.[/QUOTE]
The GM should have focused to give him defenders instead of more hoopers because of his limitations. People do the same with guards but not being a good defender at center is far more pivotal than other areas.

Denver needs to pack MPJ this summer for Wiggins and 1-2 picks. One of the best POA defenders in the league who can score 13-16 at solid efficiency.

[QUOTE=hold this L;15002687]The GM should have focused to give him defenders instead of more hoopers because of his limitations. People do the same with guards but not being a good defender at center is far more pivotal than other areas.

Denver needs to pack MPJ this summer for Wiggins and 1-2 picks. One of the best POA defenders in the league who can score 13-16 at solid efficiency.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Nuggets probably could have done better. But the new CBA thing with the aprons make it really hard.

4th best player ever (who is Bill Belichick on defense BTW) gave up 87 points in a half and got blown out almost by a historic margin. Apparently he's better than Hakeem (who was a basic iso scorer and didn't elevate his team).

[QUOTE=hold this L;15002679]- Most points conceded ever in a an NBA playoff half.
- 16/19 FG made in the paint at the half.


He's one of the best offensive weapons in NBA history but a terrible defender.[/QUOTE]

He isn't even close to a terrible defender. Above average, and that was on full display in the Clippers series. Kawhi and Powell didn't ever really take him on due to his length and size.

Such a lazy narrative because he is a big white a-typical player.

The idiots like ImKobe calling him the Luka Doncic of 5 men is idiotic. Luka is a flat out terrible defender, where as Jokic doesn't even come close to that.

This is how you know Jokic is a GOAT already.

He'll have 9 amazing games in a row, a bad 10th game, and the sky is falling down lol.

The problem with nitpicking like this is that you can literally nitpick every all time great. Every single player in the top 10 has bad playoff games, series, etc.

[QUOTE=ImKobe;15002708]4th best player ever (who is Bill Belichick on defense BTW) gave up 87 points in a half and got blown out almost by a historic margin. Apparently he's better than Hakeem (who was a basic iso scorer and didn't elevate his team).[/QUOTE]

Denver already got the split and HCA now. They sold that game. Doesn't matter whether you lose by 1 or 50. Next game is clean slate and @ home. :rockon:

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;15002748]This is how you know Jokic is a GOAT already.

He'll have 9 amazing games in a row, a bad 10th game, and the sky is falling down lol.

The problem with nitpicking like this is that you can literally nitpick every all time great. Every single player in the top 10 has bad playoff games, series, etc.[/QUOTE]

Lol that's not how it works guy. Joker's book is still being written. Sure Jordan probably had some rare off nights but we know how the story ends so it doesn't matter. 6 finals, 6 wins, 6 FMVP's.

You have no idea how this is all going to end for Joker. The Nuggets might lose this series in horrific fashion. You guys need to ease up on the GOAT talk because you're putting impossible standards on him.

And again I say this as a fan of Joker who's rooting for Denver in that series.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15002756]Lol that's not how it works guy. Joker's book is still being written. Sure Jordan probably had some rare off nights but we know how the story ends so it doesn't matter. 6 finals, 6 wins, 6 FMVP's.

You have no idea how this is all going to end for Joker. The Nuggets might lose this series in horrific fashion. You guys need to ease up on the GOAT talk because you're putting impossible standards on him.

And again I say this as a fan of Joker who's rooting for Denver in that series.[/QUOTE]

I'm saying A GOAT, not THE GOAT.

Nowadays, saying "a GOAT" generally means a generational/top-10 like talent, which is what Jokic 100% is.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;15002760]I'm saying A GOAT, not THE GOAT.

Nowadays, saying "a GOAT" generally means a generational/top-10 like talent, which is what Jokic 100% is.[/QUOTE]

Lol you can't be in the GOAT debate if you don't have a claim for being greatest of all time.

He is MANY rings away from being able to make that claim :oldlol:


I would say Jokic right now is a GOHT (greatest of HIS time) with room to improve.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15002761]Lol you can't be in the GOAT debate if you don't have a claim for being greatest of all time.

He is MANY rings away from being able to make that claim :oldlol:


[B]I would say Jokic right now is a GOHT (greatest of HIS time) with room to improve.[/B][/QUOTE]

Well I explained that the bolded is exactly what I meant. You just worded it differently.

[QUOTE=plowking;15002743]He isn't even close to a terrible defender. Above average, and that was on full display in the Clippers series. Kawhi and Powell didn't ever really take him on due to his length and size.

Such a lazy narrative because he is a big white a-typical player.

The idiots like ImKobe calling him the Luka Doncic of 5 men is idiotic. Luka is a flat out terrible defender, where as Jokic doesn't even come close to that.[/QUOTE]

That's fair, he's nowhere near as bad as Luka. I think the issue is that he plays the center position. So even if he's not as bad, it has a strong effect on the team. Denver GM needs to put more defensive players around him this summer. Their offense might suffer but they will have a much more well rounded team for championship runs.

[QUOTE=tpols;15002750]Denver already got the split and HCA now. They sold that game. Doesn't matter whether you lose by 1 or 50. Next game is clean slate and @ home. :rockon:[/QUOTE]
We gon a act like OKC didn't give away game 1?

Denver are a solid team but OKC are more than capable to win a game or 2 in Denver.

[QUOTE=k0kakw0rld;15002824]We gon a act like OKC didn't give away game 1?

Denver are a solid team but OKC are more than capable to win a game or 2 in Denver.[/QUOTE]

Chokers gonna choke. Could say same thing about Boston and Cleveland with how they gave up leads at last second. The thunder are better because of their bench. But still gotta do it and win it. Lesser teams have won because of a choke. Like 2011 NBA Finals.