ISH All-time Top 25 Guards Project: #2 Kobe Bryant vs Magic Johnson.

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Oh thanks, but i already found it when you told me ;).[/QUOTE]
Post and I'll add more pics. We need to beat the ariana grande thread eventually! :banana: :banana:

[QUOTE=JordanTime]Magic Johnson is my vote.

Kobe Bryant better than Magic Johnson is a joke.

Magic Johnson

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[QUOTE=with malice]Whilst I agree that Magic ranks over Kobe, those declaring it to be "a joke" to have Kobe near him either don't watch the game with any degree of objectivity, or don't watch the game, period.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the haters are pathetic. Anyway, Magic was never the undisputed best in the league either. In fact, he only has one year (1987) where he's the best, and it's certainly not indisputable given what Jordan/Bird did. These morons are really reaching. :oldlol:

lol @ that idiot Legend66.

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]fixed your post :oldlol:

Similar level of offensive domination... Kobe crushes Magic defensively

It's really not close at all.[/QUOTE]
All-star game mvps lol

Was Magic better than peak Shaq or Lebron? What relevance is the best player in the game tag then? We should prop up Magic for playing in a less talented league?

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Was Magic better than peak Shaq or Lebron? What relevance is the best player in the game tag then? We should prop up Magic for playing in a less talented league?[/QUOTE]

Peak Shaq was better than Magic, Magic is better career wise though.

[QUOTE=RRR3]Peak Shaq was better than Magic, Magic is better career wise though.[/QUOTE]

If neither Magic or Kobe are better than peak Shaq why is it relevant if Kobe was or was not the best player in the game? You are basically rewarding one player for playing in a less talented league.

:facepalm [QUOTE=kurt_rambis]in none of those years did the lakers have the league's best record

and in 2001 shaq was their best player

derp[/QUOTE]


huh...they were the best team...with the best record in thier conference...many MVP's won the award without having the best overall record.


and in 2001 Kobe was far and away the lakers best [B][SIZE="4"]overall[/SIZE][/B] player...Shaq and Phil have both echoed this....ESPN ran a 5 page story saying Kobe was the[B][SIZE="4"] League's [/SIZE][/B]best player...

Kobe on top of this was voted by TNT , S.I. and Sporting News as the runaway player of the decade....but steve Nash nash more MVP's

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]fixed your post :oldlol:

Similar level of offensive domination... Kobe crushes Magic defensively

It's really not close at all.[/QUOTE]

All-Star MVP's are pretty much irrelevant. How much stock you going to put into the all-star games when they play little to no defense and is an exhibition game ?

Similar level of offensive domination my ass, there's nothing similar in their domination on offense. Kobe is a high volume scorer who can be a very deadily when he gets hot. Magic is a pass first point guard, who get's everyone involved in the offense, higher bball i.q. on offense, and more efficient guard.

Defensively ? Not much to say there. Though, Kobe's defense has been called into question over the years:

[url]http://asubstituteforwar.com/2011/05/09/kobe-bryant-the-most-overrated-defender-imaginable/[/url]

Though, I try not too look at defensive ratings or advanced stats too much I found this shocking:

[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/def_rtg_career.html[/url]

[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/def_rtg_career_p.html[/url]

There is virtually little difference between the two. But isn't Kobe supposed to be the one with All-Defense First Team's ? Shouldn't he be higher ? It's strange.

Really, it's not close from how I see it. Magic wins this.

Agree to Disagree.

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]All-Star MVP's are pretty much irrelevant. How much stock you going to put into the all-star games when they play little to no defense and is an exhibition game ?

Similar level of offensive domination my ass, there's nothing similar in their domination on offense. Kobe is a high volume scorer who can be a very deadily when he gets hot. Magic is a pass first point guard, who get's everyone involved in the offense, higher bball i.q. on offense, and more efficient guard.

Defensively ? Not much to say there. Though, Kobe's defense has been called into question over the years:

[url]http://asubstituteforwar.com/2011/05/09/kobe-bryant-the-most-overrated-defender-imaginable/[/url]

Though, I try not too look at defensive ratings or advanced stats too much I found this shocking:

[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/def_rtg_career.html[/url]

[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/def_rtg_career_p.html[/url]

There is virtually little difference between the two. But isn't Kobe supposed to be the one with All-Defense First Team's ? Shouldn't he be higher ? It's strange.

Really, it's not close from how I see it. Magic wins this.

Agree to Disagree.[/QUOTE]

Post in the thread son! Come on now.

[QUOTE=RRR3]Post in the thread son! Come on now.[/QUOTE]

Done and done. Will try to find more still...

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]:facepalm

huh...they were the best team...with the best record in thier conference...many MVP's won the award without having the best overall record.


and in 2001 Kobe was far and away the lakers best [B][SIZE="4"]overall[/SIZE][/B] player...Shaq and Phil have both echoed this....ESPN ran a 5 page story saying Kobe was the[B][SIZE="4"] League's [/SIZE][/B]best player...

Kobe on top of this was voted by TNT , S.I. and Sporting News as the runaway player of the decade....but steve Nash nash more MVP's[/QUOTE]

the point is that they didn't have the best record in the league any of those years. playoffs don't matter in mvp voting

and in none of those years was kobe a clear mvp favorite

btw 2001 shaq was CLEARLY better, by any statistical or intangible measurement. if anything shaq was robbed of the mvp that year

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Which would be ?[/QUOTE]

It's about what you value most. I may say a guy putting up 35/5/5 makes him easily the best player, while you may say he was losing in the first round and there was another guy putting up 31/7/7 the same year. Some people value individual success while others prefer a player's effect on a team, etc.

[QUOTE=RRR3]There are some years it hasn't been arguable though, say with Shaq some years and MJ, Wilt, Kareem, etc.[/QUOTE]

That's why I said "very few"

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]2001

2002

2008

2009

2010

thanks for showing your hatred....now go apply yourself


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pathetic post from a stupid fool