Michael Jordan memo to Kobe Bryant:

[QUOTE=KG215]Say they start this lineup, and keep in mind Magic and Stockton were limited, so they did play this lineup a lot...

PG Pippen
SG Jordan
SF Drexler
PF Barkley
C Robinson

So, having Ewing, Malone, Mullin, Magic, and Stockton means "no bench", but the 2012 team having Deron, Westbrook, Melo, Love, Blake, Iggy, and Harden does?

How about making a lineup of just the benches, and you tell me which one is better...

PG Magic
SG Stockton
SF Mullin
PF Malone
C Ewing

vs.

PG Deron
SG Westbrook
SF Melo
PF Blake
C Love

Or move Melo to PF for Blake and put Iggy in at SF. The 1992 team didn't have a bench? What the hell are you smoking?[/QUOTE]

:applause:

[QUOTE=KG215]Say they start this lineup, and keep in mind Magic and Stockton were limited, so they did play this lineup a lot...

PG Pippen
SG Jordan
SF Drexler
PF Barkley
C Robinson

So, having Ewing, Malone, Mullin, Magic, and Stockton means "no bench", but the 2012 team having Deron, Westbrook, Melo, Love, Blake, Iggy, and Harden does?

How about making a lineup of just the benches, and you tell me which one is better...

PG Magic
SG Stockton
SF Mullin
PF Malone
C Ewing

vs.

PG Deron
SG Westbrook
SF Melo
PF Blake
C Love

Or move Melo to PF for Blake and put Iggy in at SF. The 1992 team didn't have a bench? What the hell are you smoking?[/QUOTE]
I'm in full agreement with you on that one. I was going to address that statement if you did not.

I think the comparison of the '92 team to the '12 squad is a lot less about 1-on-1 matchups than what many people are suggesting. I don't think it's a matter of saying, "Jordan > Bryant and James > Pippen", regardless of whether they're true statements or not. The '92 Dream Team is just one continuous wave of Hall of Famers. It never stops and it never drops off. Would the drop off be Chris Mullin, the shooter coming off a 26ppg season on 52% shooting? John Stockton? The all-time leader in assists and steals?

For me, the absurdly high level of depth on the '92 squad is the largest difference between the two teams. If Russell Westbrook attacks David Robinson and draws two quick fouls on him, who's going to pick up the slack? Well, that'd more than likely fall on the shoulders of Hall of Fame center Patrick Ewing. No big deal. And if Magic rolls an ankle, who's running point? Oh, John Stockton. Conversely, say David Robinson gives Tyson all he can handle inside and Tyson finds himself in heavy foul trouble early. Who will spell him? Kevin Love. Not shabby, but it's not Patrick Ewing. And if Chris Paul needs a breather? 40% shooting Deron Williams. Again, great player, not John Stockton. The examples, of course, only run deeper.

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Bullshit.
Nah, don't use context in your post. :oldlol:
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Are you talking about my post or his post?

[QUOTE=KG215]Are you talking about my post or his post?[/QUOTE]

Him, obviously.

You're post was right on the button. :cheers:

He just said "well he had multiple playoff first round exits"... but didn't show how shit those teams Jordan was on. It's not like Jordan didn't hold his own for at least 2 of those 3 series.

[QUOTE=Mr Exlax]I don't know if DRob & Ewing are just gonna score with the greatest of ease against Chandler. Chandler won't get shut down by them because most of his points are gonna come from the rebounds and dump off passes for easy dunks anyway.

Malone and Barkley both are gonna buttrape Bosh on offense, but how are they going to stop him on defense? They're both too short and slower than him.

So that's enough to slaughter them? Who's gonna stop Lebron? Pippen? Pippen is weaker, shorter, lighter, [B]slower[/B] than Lebron. Jordan will eat Kobe because it's the old Kobe, it's a toss up at the PG position to me. I'll give it to 2012 because the players are bigger, stronger and faster. Oh and they have DWill.[/QUOTE]

Slower? A 1992 Scottie Pippen is by no means slower than Lebron right now. The guy weighs 260lbs and a 1992 Pippen probably weighs around 215 or so pounds. This was before Pippen really added muscle on and he was quick as hell. [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eCW1TxGXO0"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eCW1TxGXO0[/URL] Scottie Pippen is one of the greatest open court players of all time. He was athletic, had huge strides because of his length, could pass, and could finish with the best of them.

Frankly I would put Pippen on Durant as Durant is not quick enough to drive by him and likes to shoot mostly jumpers and Pippen's long arms and active hands would really bother him. Barkley is a better match up for Lebron. In a marquee match up like that he's not going to be lazy defensively and he has strength to bother Lebron. Seems to me a lot of people forget how athletic Barkley was. He may not have looked like the typical athlete, but he was extremely athletic in his youth.

[QUOTE=Smoke117] Seems to me a lot of people forget how athletic Barkley was. He may not have looked like the typical athlete, but he was extremely athletic in his youth.[/QUOTE]


True, and Barkley's strength was waist down while Lebron is more top heavy. Lebron would have no chance guarding barkley in the post. Not only that the effort of trying to guard him could slow him down on offense. He is not used to guarding post players.

[QUOTE=Smoke117]Barkley is a better match up for Lebron. In a marquee match up like that he's not going to be lazy defensively and he has strength to bother Lebron. Seems to me a lot of people forget how athletic Barkley was. He may not have looked like the typical athlete, but he was extremely athletic in his youth.[/QUOTE]

Come on, don't pretend that Charles was a great defender who was just lazy and could turn it up when he wanted. He simply was a very bad defender, period. To think that he could suddenly step it up against Lebron of all people is a little absurd.

[QUOTE=Smoke117]Slower? A 1992 Scottie Pippen is by no means slower than Lebron right now. The guy weighs 260lbs and a 1992 Pippen probably weighs around 215 or so pounds. This was before Pippen really added muscle on and he was quick as hell. [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eCW1TxGXO0"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eCW1TxGXO0[/URL] Scottie Pippen is one of the greatest open court players of all time. He was athletic, had huge strides because of his length, could pass, and could finish with the best of them.

Frankly I would put Pippen on Durant as Durant is not quick enough to drive by him and likes to shoot mostly jumpers and Pippen's long arms and active hands would really bother him. Barkley is a better match up for Lebron. In a marquee match up like that he's not going to be lazy defensively and he has strength to bother Lebron. Seems to me a lot of people forget how athletic Barkley was. He may not have looked like the typical athlete, but he was extremely athletic in his youth.[/QUOTE]
And the thing they forget is that these are PRIME players we are talking about. Not old and washed, except for Bird.

Oh, and by the way, [URL="http://jonathanturley.org/2009/01/02/the-barkley-defense-yes-im-drunk-but-im-horny-too/"]here's a prime example what Charles Barkley's defense looks like.[/URL]

It's hilarious, but absolutely ineffective. He's not gonna stop anyone or anything with that sh!t.

1992 Patrick Ewing and David Robinson v. Tyson Chandler and Chris Bosh and whatever else we're pretending is a center? And then you throw in guys like pre-MVP Barkley and a young Karl Malone? Please.

[QUOTE=brain drain]Come on, don't pretend that Charles was a great defender who was just lazy and could turn it up when he wanted. He simply was a very bad defender, period. To think that he could suddenly step it up against Lebron of all people is a little absurd.[/QUOTE]

No he wasn't. He was just lazy and didn't really give a shit until the playoffs came around as far as playing defense. Besides I never said he'd shut down Lebron I just think it's a better match up than Pippen is. Even putting Pippen on Durant may be a mistake. Scottie always did his most damage defensively when he was able to play off the ball and roam around utilizing which was the best help defense in the league. Either way the huge advantage the Dream Team has is that they can go all out defensively on the ball, go for more steals etc because they Have David Robinson (who just won DPOY that season) and Patrick Ewing back there protecting the paint. They can funnel their man into the Centers. The 2012 team can't do that. Tyson Chandler is an absolute joke defensively compared to Robinson and Ewing.

:oldlol: I love how Kobe's making everyone mad :bowdown: Has the whole world talking lol

What are the rules? I remember D.Jones shutting down C.Paul. Could only imagine how he'd fare against those guy's. I think it'd go either way. Different result every time. Neither team would dominate the other. If I had to put money on it I'd go with the dream team tho. They're post play is another level when you look at it.

[QUOTE=jlip]Using how the '92 team manhandled their "competition" as the barometer for how they would play against the '12 team is like saying that since a group of NBA all stars defeated a team full of high schoolers that they would dominate another team of all stars the same way. [/QUOTE]
This is completely untrue, and proves that you need to watch the games again, as suggested.

Some of the teams, Angola for instance, were clearly just content to be on the court with the Dream Team. However, Croatia and Brazil fielded very good teams, with a number of players who were playing, would play, or could play in the NBA.

As a matter of fact, that Croatia team would give the '12 team a good test. Brazil had a bunch of athletes, and would also be a challenge.

Quiet as its kept, the Gold Medal game against Croatia was pretty tight for most of the first half.

So, not all of the teams were analogous to "high schoolers". That's just a myth perpetrated by people who don't know what they're talking about.

Kobe=MJ

:biggums: Stopped reading there.
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