3rd Presidential debate: focuses on foreign policy, Monday Oct 22th 9:00 pm EST

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Some people deserve to be mocked. The argument Romney was using is ridiculous. You don't measure our naval dominance by the number of "ships" and the analogy to horses and bayonets was an appropriate one.

If Obama had just thrown that zinger out there with no prompting, I might agree that it is unbecoming, but it was in direct response to a ridiculous comment made by Romney.


Someone else said it earlier in the thread... The tone was set in the first debate. Romney came out guns blazing, going after Obama hard. In the first debate, Obama attempted some very long-winded explanations of policy positions while also attempting to maintain a presidential posture and not get down into the mud. As a result, he was roundly trounced and it came off poorly.

Somehow, when the roles are reversed in the third debate, it was unbecoming for Obama and he was "too mean" to Romney. This is the FoxNews talking point today and it is sort of hilarious.

I didn't see many people on either side of the aisle claiming the first debate was a tie or a default Obama win because Romney was "too mean" and "not presidential." He lost that debate... Just like Romney clearly looked like the weaker candidate last night.[/QUOTE]



After all 3 debates, who do you feel overall is a better debater between Romney and Obama?

[QUOTE=Heilige]After all 3 debates, who do you feel overall is a better debater between Romney and Obama?[/QUOTE]
Purely based on skill as a debater and not substance? Romney. Debating has never been Obama's strong suit.

If Romney had more substance behind his positions and was better equipped to give detailed responses to policy questions, he would be a very difficult man to beat in a debate.

A. He looks and sounds like a presidential candidate you would create in a lab somewhere. People shouldn't underestimate the power of a guy just looking like he should be president and Romney has the features of the position... And a smooth radio voice to boot.

B. He is very quick on his feet. Yes, he is prone to gaffes, but that has more to do with a lack of experience and a life spent completely unlike the vast majority of the people he is speaking to. His problems relating to the average Joe aren't due to insufficient intelligence.

C. He's clearly devoted a lot of time to becoming a good debater and it shows. He's got the body language and the nonverbal communication stuff down to a science.

He's a far better debater than I ever imagined when I was watching those convoluted Republican primaries with all of the circus acts they had going in that thing. When it comes to one-on-one debating, he is very skilled and tough to pin down.

Obama has the intelligence and experience and he can be a smooth talker in the right debate settings... That was his saving grace in the last two debates. But, I think everyone (including Obama) learned a lesson about Romney in the first debate. You better come in prepared for a fight or he is capable of making you look really bad.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Purely based on skill as a debater and not substance? Romney. Debating has never been Obama's strong suit.

If Romney had more substance behind his positions and was better equipped to give detailed responses to policy questions, he would be a very difficult man to beat in a debate.

A. He looks and sounds like a presidential candidate you would create in a lab somewhere. People shouldn't underestimate the power of a guy just looking like he should be president and Romney has the features of the position... And a smooth radio voice to boot.

B. He is very quick on his feet. Yes, he is prone to gaffes, but that has more to do with a lack of experience and a life spent completely unlike the vast majority of the people he is speaking to. His problems relating to the average Joe aren't due to insufficient intelligence.

C. He's clearly devoted a lot of time to becoming a good debater and it shows. He's got the body language and the nonverbal communication stuff down to a science.

He's a far better debater than I ever imagined when I was watching those convoluted Republican primaries with all of the circus acts they had going in that thing. When it comes to one-on-one debating, he is very skilled and tough to pin down.

Obama has the intelligence and experience and he can be a smooth talker in the right debate settings... That was his saving grace in the last two debates. But, I think everyone (including Obama) learned a lesson about Romney in the first debate. You better come in prepared for a fight or he is capable of making you look really bad.[/QUOTE]



Good points, especially about looking and sounding like a presidential candidiate. Check out this article:

[url]http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/09/slugfest/309063/[/url]

Remember Todd Akin?

I was watching Indiana's Senate debate earlier and Richard Mourdock, who's in all likelihood going to win, said (paraphrasing) "life is a gift from God. Even when it begins in a horrible situation like rape I think God intended for that to happen."

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]Remember Todd Akin?

I was watching Indiana's Senate debate earlier and Richard Mourdock, who's in all likelihood going to win, said (paraphrasing) "life is a gift from God. Even when it begins in a horrible situation like rape I think God intended for that to happen."[/QUOTE]
Your rape is God's will. Nice.

It's an awful but actually somewhat logical conclusion you [I]can[/I] come to if you believe God is all-knowing, all-powerful, and all loving.

[quote=Real Men Wear Green]Your rape is God's will. Nice.

It's an awful but actually somewhat logical conclusion you [I]can[/I] come to if you believe God is all-knowing, all-powerful, and all loving.[/quote]I really hope it's enough to swing the election but I doubt it. The guy's a textbook Tea Party extremist.

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]Remember Todd Akin?

I was watching Indiana's Senate debate earlier and Richard Mourdock, who's in all likelihood going to win, said (paraphrasing) "life is a gift from God. Even when it begins in a horrible situation like rape I think God intended for that to happen."[/QUOTE]

:biggums:




First time I have ever been inspired to use that emoticon.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHdzsXjmkmY"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHdzsXjmkmY[/URL]

thanks for reenforcing the Indiana stereotype you asshole

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]I really hope it's enough to swing the election but I doubt it. The guy's a textbook Tea Party extremist.[/QUOTE]
I could swear there was a time when the Tea Party was about taxes, government spending and the Constitution. They were making some points back then. Somewhere along the line they became simply another term for pure-right Republican.

[quote=InspiredLebowski]Remember Todd Akin?

I was watching Indiana's Senate debate earlier and Richard Mourdock, who's in all likelihood going to win, said (paraphrasing) "life is a gift from God. Even when it begins in a horrible situation like rape I think God intended for that to happen."[/quote]

Rape is a heinous crime that deserves life in jail and pen!s removed.
However I personally know 2 men that are glad their mother didnt abort post rape. Both are great people, and one in particular is very successful.
It is not a new human's fault how they were conceived, they dont deserve to die because of it IMO.
Its a terrible situation, but due to personally knowing those families, I dont support abortion in that situation.
Yeah not a popular opinion in the foolish western culture.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]I could swear there was a time when the Tea Party was about taxes, government spending and the Constitution. They were making some points back then. Somewhere along the line they became simply another term for pure-right Republican.[/QUOTE]

You're right, it started out being about taxes and spending, which are things I can get behind. Now it's a bastion for Christian and far right wing nut jobs. I am a strong fiscal conservative but I just can't endorse a party with such ridiculous social ideas.

I was just thinking, if life were like professional wrestling, Ron Paul would've been "special guest moderator" for one of these debates. How awesome would that have been??? We need a Mick Foley commissioner type for next election cycle

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]I could swear there was a time when the Tea Party was about taxes, government spending and the Constitution. They were making some points back then. Somewhere along the line they became simply another term for pure-right Republican.[/QUOTE]

The tea party was taken over by establishment republicans. They basically used the tea party name because of all the hype, but didn't maintain the original ideals. Idk exactly what the original ideals were but I'm pretty sure they weren't, "rape babies are Gods will." lmao.

[QUOTE=joe]The tea party was taken over by establishment republicans. They basically used the tea party name because of all the hype, but didn't maintain the original ideals. Idk exactly what the original ideals were but I'm pretty sure they weren't, "rape babies are Gods will." lmao.[/QUOTE]

Exactly and it wasn't exclusively GOP in the early stages. The GOP took it over, co-opted ideas and basically neutralized and absorbed them in many ways. Even the tea party people who get elected are more the strong right wing Christian types rather than the true fiscal conservatives the Tea Party started out backing.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]
A. He looks and sounds like a presidential candidate you would create in a lab somewhere.
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Comedy. I was telling my GF the SAME EXACT thing, word for word. "In a lab"