Jokic is the 4th best player of all time

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14984726]Imo these guys are in the true GOAT tier peak

Jordan
LeBron
Kareem
Hakeem
Shaq
Wilt
Jokic

I'm not sure where I'd rank Jokic amongst these guys yet, but I agree with OP that he belongs.[/QUOTE]

Kawhi

Jokic will get the Wade treatment probably. Wade arguably the best SG of all time but beceause he came after they'll never give him GOAT status. It has nothing to do with skill or accolades.

[QUOTE=04mzwach;15005124]Jokic will get the Wade treatment probably. [B]Wade arguably the best SG of all time[/B] but beceause he came after they'll never give him GOAT status. It has nothing to do with skill or accolades.[/QUOTE]
Lol.

You're dead wrong on the rest too as Jokic has been remarkably durable for a man of his stature while even in his prime, Wade was consistently getting injured. He's also a 3x MVP, has been considered the BITW for 4-5 years now, and he has Jordan/LeBron level stats and advanced metrics, all things Wade never achieved. It was frankly just a terrible analogy all around.

The best comparison for Wade is Kawhi, both injury prone guys who peak for peak were better than a lot of the guys they'll end up being ranked behind.

[QUOTE=04mzwach;15005124]Jokic will get the Wade treatment probably. [B]Wade arguably the best SG of all time[/B] but beceause he came after they'll never give him GOAT status. It has nothing to do with skill or accolades.[/QUOTE]

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Caruso “hold my beer”

He is not.
NBA loses either way with their MVP pick this year.

- A chubby no rim protection, all time great offensive maestro, with a very strange looking, but extremely effective game.

- A skinny, gay, super efficient version of Harden with way less 3’s and much less impressive passing. And a woman’s face.

Jokic being guarded by Caruso should make people re-think. The way LeBron was crucified being guarded by JJ Barea and outs cored by Jason Terry.

[QUOTE=BarberSchool;15006750]He is not.
NBA loses either way with their MVP pick this year.

- A chubby no rim protection, all time great offensive maestro, with a very strange looking, but extremely effective game.

- A skinny, gay, super efficient version of Harden with way less 3’s and much less impressive passing. And a woman’s face.[/QUOTE]
You are a moron. Acting like you are some type of eye candy. You watching basketball to see who's sexy or nah? Are you dumb?

[QUOTE=k0kakw0rld;15006778]Jokic being guarded by Caruso should make people re-think. The way LeBron was crucified being guarded by JJ Barea and outs cored by Jason Terry.[/QUOTE]

Nah, it shouldn't. Caruso is an all-nba defender and OKC arguably has the best defense over the last 25 years. They have a ton of elite defenders and Jokic still managed 28/14/6 on 59.2 TS%.

Guys like MJ, Kareem, Lebron, etc have all had many worse playoff series.

[QUOTE=BarberSchool;15006750]He is not.
NBA loses either way with their MVP pick this year.

- A chubby no rim protection, all time great offensive maestro, with a very strange looking, but extremely effective game.

- A skinny, gay, super efficient version of Harden with way less 3’s and much less impressive passing. And a woman’s face.[/QUOTE]
You are a moron. Acting like you are some type of eye candy. You watching basketball to see who's sexy or nah? Are you dumb?

Imagine being 7 foot and being defended by Carusso straight up and passing it off to other players in a game 7. All the while people calling you the best offensive player of all time. :lol

i'm sorry but if you're 7'1 and get shut down by caruso (6'5) in a game 7 playoffs match, you are not the 4th best player of all time no matter your stats throughout the years.

[QUOTE=hold this L;15006838]Imagine being 7 foot and being defended by Carusso straight up and passing it off to other players in a game 7. All the while people calling you the best offensive player of all time. :lol[/QUOTE]

Caruso is an all-nba defender and OKC arguably has the best defense over the last 25 years. They have a ton of elite defenders and Jokic still managed 28/14/6 on 59.2 TS%.

Guys like MJ, Kareem, Lebron, etc, have all had many worse playoff series.

[QUOTE=highwhey;15006843]i'm sorry but if you're 7'1 and get shut down by caruso (6'5) in a game 7 playoffs match, you are not the 4th best player of all time no matter your stats throughout the years.[/QUOTE]

Caruso is an all-nba defender and OKC arguably has the best defense over the last 25 years. They have a ton of elite defenders and Jokic still managed 28/14/6 on 59.2 TS%.

Guys like MJ, Kareem, Lebron, etc have all had many worse playoff series.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;15006846]Caruso is an all-nba defender and OKC arguably has the best defense over the last 25 years. They have a ton of elite defenders and Jokic still managed 28/14/6 on 59.2 TS%.

Guys like MJ, Kareem, Lebron, etc have all had many worse playoff series.[/QUOTE]
Why are you 3balling and copying and pasting this same post over and over :lol