Dirk all day, everyday. He's underrated as hell.
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Dirk all day, everyday. He's underrated as hell.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]Who is the better player? He has had the better career thus far? Who had the better peak? They play the same position and are similar in age (Dirk is 31, Gasol 29).
[B][U]Dirk Nowitzki[/U][/B]
2007 MVP
4x all-NBA first team
3x all-NBA second team
2x all-NBA third team
3x Top 3 in MVP voting
7x top 10 in MVP voting
8x all-star
Led his team to nine straight 50+ win seasons
[B][U]Pau Gasol
[/U][/B]
1x all-NBA third team
2x all-star
2002 Rookie of the Year
2009 NBA champion
[B]Stats[/B]
[U]Dirk[/U]
Career: 23/9/3
Peak: 27/9/3 (probably not his best season but statistically his best year)
[U]Pau[/U]
Career: 19/9/3
Peak: 21/10/3 (not his best season but statistically his best year)
I go with Dirk for all three. Dirk is top 40 all-time imo.[/QUOTE]
Dirk = Pierce and Gasol = Kobe
[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]Dirk all day, everyday. He's underrated as hell.[/QUOTE]
I think that first round loss permanently ruined his reputation.
[QUOTE=Bodhi]I think that first round loss permanently ruined his reputation.[/QUOTE]
True, unfortunately.
[QUOTE=pierce2008mvp]Dirk = Pierce and Gasol = Kobe[/QUOTE]
I love these equations. Here are a few others to consider:
Garnett = Telfair, Duncan = Livingston, Shaq = Big Mac, T-Mac = Little John, You = Bugs Bunny
I would pick Gasol. Both are top 8 players in the league, although Gasol is more complete, he is a better rebounder, a better defender, a better blocker and a better assister. Nowtizki is a better shooter and a better scorer
Gasol is more a team player. Nowitzki is more a star. Give me Gasol before. Give me before prime Manu Ginobili than Carmelo Anthony too
[QUOTE=Bodhi]I think that first round loss permanently ruined his reputation.[/QUOTE]
It did but that Mavs team was not that great.. Dirk played great that season and had his team overperform.. Dirk is better.. But I take Gasol if I need a complimentary player...
Dirk for all three and Dirk if I need to start a franchise from scratch but if I need a complementary big and already have a high scoring perimeter player like Wade or Kobe, I take Gasol because I would rather have a great low post player who is a good passer then a great high post player who is average player. If I have a center like Bogut or Howard who plays in the low post, I take Dirk though. Both are great players though.
Gasol is also world champion, a european champion, a NBA champion and an Olympic finalist, being the star of a team who really putted in trouble the redream team
Nowitzki doesnt have any major team achievements
[QUOTE=Hyman]Nowitzki doesnt have any major team achievements[/QUOTE]
Neither had the teammates Gasol had. Both internationally and in the NBA.
[QUOTE=Hyman]Gasol is also world champion, a european champion, a NBA champion and an Olympic finalist, being the star of a team who really putted in trouble the redream team
Nowitzki doesnt have any major team achievements[/QUOTE]
Gasol was 0-12 in the playoffs--including his 50 win team getting swept by Dirk's 53 win team (Dirk thoroughly outplayed Gasol too)--before teaming up with Kobe. Gasol is from Spain. Are we to penalize Dirk from being born in Germany and not playing for the great Spanish team?
[QUOTE=Hyman]Gasol is also world champion, a european champion, a NBA champion and an Olympic finalist, being the star of a team who really putted in trouble the redream team
Nowitzki doesnt have any major team achievements[/QUOTE]
Dirk's individual accomplishment's sh!t on Gasol's though and make up for that difference in team accomplishments. Dirk also has never had a coach as good as Phil or a player close to Kobe either. Not to mention, Dirk took a steaming dump on Gasol in the 06 playoffs.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]Gasol was 0-12 in the playoffs--including his 50 win team getting swept by Dirk's 53 win team (Dirk thoroughly outplayed Gasol too)--before teaming up with Kobe. Gasol is from Spain. Are we to penalize Dirk from being born in Germany and not playing for the great Spanish team?[/QUOTE]
Which was the level of spanish basketball before the arrival of Gasol? What would be the level of the spanish NT without Gasol?
With Gasol being a leader and a bunch of scrubs, Memphis made 3 consecutive playoff appearances. Thats a huge succes for a team like them
Moreover Gasol is not today the player he was back in 06. He has evolved a lot, specially in toughness and defense. I dont think that Nowitzki today is a very different player to the one of 06
[QUOTE]Which was the level of spanish basketball before the arrival of Gasol?[/QUOTE]
Pretty good. At Eurobasket:
Gold: 2009
Silver: 1935, 1973, 1983, 1999, 2003, 2007
Bronze: 1991, 2001
Watch the table at the bottom of the page:
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain_national_basketball_team[/url]
[QUOTE=Hyman]Which was the level of spanish basketball before the arrival of Gasol? What would be the level of the spanish NT without Gasol?
With Gasol being a leader and a bunch of scrubs, Memphis made 3 consecutive playoff appearances. Thats a huge succes for a team like them[/QUOTE]
A bunch of scrubs were led to 50 wins by Gasol? Why did he struggle to lead his team to more than 20 wins in the next three years? If he had the Midas touch to take scrubs to 50 wins, something even Jordan could not do, surely he would have used it after 2006. Where was he when it counted in 06' btw? Dirk thrashed him and swept him.
Where was Argentinian basketball before Manu? Manu also has 3 rings. Does Manu>Clyde Drexler since he has far more team accomplishments?