Exposing the Fallacies of Science/Atheist-ism & Proving Intelligent Design!

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Thank you.

So if we assume (like the article's author) that God is the architect of the cell and he programmed it to self replicate and carry out other functions, but outside/natural forces don't have an effect... then how do you explain an occurrence like this?

A genetic deformity:



Or victims of Agent Orange:



Examples of deformity caused by genetic mutation or natural/outside forces say what exactly about God's perfect divinely hand-crafted, pre-programmed creation? In your opinion.[/QUOTE]
Who said it was perfect?

[QUOTE=shlver]Who said it was perfect?[/QUOTE]

Fine :rolleyes:

Take out the word perfect, then answer the question.

[url]http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/10/101008-science-space-saturn-titan-haze-life-amino-acids-bases/[/url]

[B]Saturn's Largest Moon Has Ingredients for Life?[/B]

[QUOTE]The chemical "letters" used to write the basic code for life on Earth might exist on Saturn's largest moon, according to new research presented Thursday.

The findings suggest the building blocks of life on Earth may have originated in the air, not only in primordial "soup" on land.

Based on lab experiments, scientists concluded it's possible the thick atmospheric haze on Titan contains the five so-called nucleotide bases used in DNA and RNA, as well as some simple amino acids

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Fine :rolleyes:

Take out the word perfect, then answer the question.[/QUOTE]
If the machinery to replicate cells is not perfect, then it's bound to make mistakes. This should be obvious.

[QUOTE=Sarcastic][url]http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/10/101008-science-space-saturn-titan-haze-life-amino-acids-bases/[/url]

[B]Saturn's Largest Moon Has Ingredients for Life?[/B][/QUOTE]

Now [I]that's[/I] how you copy & paste.

You can add Gliese 581g to the list. Which is why I was wondering when this article was written.

Plus the whole science not being able to create cells is somewhat outdated since a self-replicating synthetic genome was made at the Venter Institute.

So yeah... back to the future prophesy gimmick.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Now [I]that's[/I] how you copy & paste.

You can add Gliese 581g to the list. Which is why I was wondering when this article was written.

[B]Plus the whole science not being able to create cells is somewhat outdated since a self-replicating synthetic genome was made at the Venter Institute.[/B]

So yeah... back to the future prophesy gimmick.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

[QUOTE=shlver]If the machinery to replicate cells is not perfect, then it's bound to make mistakes. This should be obvious.[/QUOTE]

Well it's obvious to me. I'm just wondering why certain people think that natural forces can't affect 'God's machinery' when we see it happening all the time. And if nature/outside forces can alter/change cell coding and force mutation... why should anyone believe that God created the machine in the first place? It's obvious that if he did program the cell, it's a flawed system (made by a flawed being?) that is CLEARLY affected by nature.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Now [I]that's[/I] how you copy & paste.

You can add Gliese 581g to the list. Which is why I was wondering when this article was written.

Plus the whole science not being able to create cells is somewhat outdated since a self-replicating synthetic genome was made at the Venter Institute.

So yeah... back to the future prophesy gimmick.[/QUOTE]


You don't even have to go that far away. I think it is likely that we will find some form of life in our own solar system one day (not including earth).

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Well it's obvious to me. I'm just wondering why certain people think that natural forces can't affect 'God's machinery' when we see it happening all the time. And if nature/outside forces can alter/change cell coding and force mutation... why should anyone believe that God created the machine in the first place? It's obvious that if he did program the cell, it's a flawed system (made by a flawed being?) that is CLEARLY affected by nature.[/QUOTE]
Where did I say that it can't be affected by nature/outside forces? Explain how it's a flawed system and it is faulty logic to think that perfect beings can only make perfect things.

[QUOTE=shlver]:facepalm Do you have any idea what you're talking about?[/QUOTE]

You remember this, right?

[QUOTE][B][U]U.S. scientists create first 'synthetic life'[/U][/B]

U.S. researchers have created the world's first "synthetic life," a strain of bacteria created with man-made DNA.

"This is the first self-replicating cell we've had on the planet whose parent is a computer," team leader Craig Venter of the J. Craig Venter Institute in Rockville, Md., told USA TODAY's Dan Vergano. Venter has been a leader in human genome mapping as well as synthetic biology.

The breakthrough is "a defining moment in the history of biology and biotechnology," Mark Bedau, a philosopher at Reed College and editor of the journal Artificial Life, toldScience magazine.

The sci-fi strain of the blue bacteria, which are not infectious, is in a freezer and headed to a museum.

Regarding the broader implications of the research, the Venter Institute writes, "Throughout the course of this work, the team contemplated, discussed, and engaged in outside review of the ethical and societal implications of their work.

[URL="http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/05/us-scientists-create-first-synthetic-life/1"]http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/05/us-scientists-create-first-synthetic-life/1[/URL][/QUOTE]


[QUOTE]Where did I say that it can't be affected by nature/outside forces? Explain how it's a flawed system and it is faulty logic to think that perfect beings can only make perfect things.[/QUOTE]

I was addressing the OP's article and the assertion that nature/natural forces do not affect the basic cell/DNA/etc. Disease, mutation, etc makes it a flawed system, especially one that was crafted by a divine being. What is your definition of perfection? Especially considering we are supposedly made in his image, Elephantiasis and all.

Chaos theory, look into it.

[QUOTE=shlver]If the machinery to replicate cells is not perfect, then it's bound to make mistakes. This should be obvious.[/QUOTE]

Is God proud of his shoddy work?

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]You remember this, right?






I was addressing the OP's article and the assertion that nature/natural forces do not affect the basic cell/DNA/etc. Disease, mutation, etc makes it a flawed system, especially one that was crafted by a divine being. What is your definition of perfection? Especially considering we are supposedly made in his image, Elephantiasis and all.[/QUOTE]
They didn't create a cell though They constructed a genome from scratch and inserted it into an [B]EXISTING[/B] bacterial cell... So they created working DNA, not a cell in its entirety.

Where in the article does it assert that? Reread the article again please.
Man created in God's image does not assert man is perfect. God resides in spirit and does not have a physical body, so our physical bodies and imperfections do not reflect God. I see two meanings in the phrase "created in God's image": God is living, and we reflect that because we are living and God has free will, and we have free will and we have the ability to choose.

[QUOTE=Jackass18]Is God proud of his shoddy work?[/QUOTE]
Nah, it's not shoddy at all. It's an extraordinarily accurate system.

Why would a perfect being make a world that is so imperfect?