[QUOTE=steve]I've just been calling it "The Wilt Triple Double." As opposed to an "Oscar Triple Double" or a "Kidd Triple Double."[/QUOTE]
Out of interest whats the diff b/w Oscar and Kidd triple doubles
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[QUOTE=steve]I've just been calling it "The Wilt Triple Double." As opposed to an "Oscar Triple Double" or a "Kidd Triple Double."[/QUOTE]
Out of interest whats the diff b/w Oscar and Kidd triple doubles
[QUOTE=Psileas]Actually, Magic is the closest I've seen to 20/20/20, in that he got the closest to 20 in the "weakest" of the 3 categories, whichever it is.
Up to now, I've tracked a 32/21/16, a 31/20/16 and a 28/20/16 game by Oscar, but not triple-17's.
I know, but I'm talking about players other than Wilt. Actually, Wilt also had a 22-27-19 game in the 1968 season, which you can argue is almost equally impressive.[/QUOTE]
Didn't Magic have something like a 32 point, 21 assist game, as well (albeit without double-digit rebounds)?
As for Wilt, we both know he had a 53 point, 32 rebound, 14 assist game in '68, against the Lakers. And, while it would be considered "unofficial", in Chamberlain's very first NBA game he was credited with 43 points, 28 rebounds, and 17 blocks. And in his incredible 23 block game on Christmas in '68, he also had 15 points and 15 rebounds... which was an unusual triple-double.
[QUOTE=Fuhqueue]Out of interest whats the diff b/w Oscar and Kidd triple doubles[/QUOTE]
Oscar's is the 20/10/10 stat line, which is the more traditional. A Kidd would be 10-20/10/10 triple double and that mainly came from a few seasons ago when he was racking up a bunch of triple doubles but never getting over 20 points (although looking back on it, it wasn't as many as I remember), but he still has more of those than anyone.
[QUOTE=steve][B]Oscar's is the 20/10/10 stat line[/B], which is the more traditional. A Kidd would be 10-20/10/10 triple double and that mainly came from a few seasons ago when he was racking up a bunch of triple doubles but never getting over 20 points (although looking back on it, it wasn't as many as I remember), but he still has more of those than anyone.[/QUOTE]
At his peak, Oscar was more like a 30-10-10 guy.
[QUOTE=Walduś]put tyson chandler in that era and he'll be the goat.[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
:facepalm
[QUOTE=steve]Oscar's is the 20/10/10 stat line, which is the more traditional. A Kidd would be 10-20/10/10 triple double and that mainly came from a few seasons ago when he was racking up a bunch of triple doubles but never getting over 20 points (although looking back on it, it wasn't as many as I remember), but he still has more of those than anyone.[/QUOTE]
I remember Kidd getting a points/rebs/ast/turnover quadruple double as well :rockon:
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[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1R6UI738MI&NR=1[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Paex9-VxPbA[/url]
There are many more, but those are my favorites...[/QUOTE]
Wow, Gilmore was a big dude. Obviously bigger than Wilt, sobeit, not stronger - check at the 58 second mark when Wilt easily displaces Gilmore. If Gilmore was playing now he would be dominating as well. He could move better than most big men now and Robert Parrish was always amazed at his strength.
J. Kidd had a 16/16/19 game in the playoffs once.
[QUOTE=NauruDude]Wilt would probably be a normal-good guy in todays league. The league was so undeveloped that it was impossible to compete with him.[/QUOTE]
Wilt makes Hakeem look like an infant child on the court and most here have Hakeem in their top 10s. How can you say Wilt would just be a "normal-good" guy in todays game? He is basically an athletic and super quick version of shaq who also happened to have a nice touch away from the rim. I truly believe that if he was in todays game, surrounded by ok teammates and barring injury, he would challenge Russell's championship record.
[QUOTE=Walduś]put tyson chandler in that era and he'll be the goat.[/QUOTE]
first time i agree with you:applause:
[quote=KG5MVP]first time i agree with you:applause:[/quote]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtsDctdHNio[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pZ6hmIxwQo[/url]
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I know, but I'm talking about players other than Wilt. Actually, Wilt also had a 22-27-19 game in the 1968 season, which you can argue is almost equally impressive.[/QUOTE]
During the '66-'67 regular season against the Royals, he had a 58/25/6/76% FG game.
[url]http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=VbUzAAAAIBAJ&sjid=2jIHAAAAIBAJ&pg=4694,3417675&dq[/url]
He came close to a double triple-double in Game 3 against the Royals.
[B]Game 1:[/B] 41 points, 23 rebounds, 5 assists, 63% FG
[B]Game 2:[/B] 37 points, 27 rebounds, 11 assists, 67% FG
[B]Game 3:[/B] 16 points, 30 rebounds, 19 assists, 62% FG
[B]Game 4:[/B] 18 points, 27 rebounds, 9 assists, 50% FG
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[QUOTE=PHILA]During the '66-'67 regular season against the Royals, he had a 58/25/6/76% FG game.
[url]http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=VbUzAAAAIBAJ&sjid=2jIHAAAAIBAJ&pg=4694,3417675&dq[/url]
He came close to a double triple-double in Game 3 against the Royals.
[B]Game 1:[/B] 41 points, 23 rebounds, 5 assists, 63% FG
[B]Game 2:[/B] 37 points, 27 rebounds, 11 assists, 67% FG
[B]Game 3:[/B] 16 points, 30 rebounds, 19 assists, 62% FG
[B]Game 4:[/B] 18 points, 27 rebounds, 9 assists, 50% FG
[IMG]http://i56.tinypic.com/1zcl94l.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I see you copied Wilt's stats from Lynch's book on the '67 76ers. A couple of points: One, Wilt averaged 24.1 ppg on .683 shooting that season, but against Russell and Thurmond (and surprisingly Detroit) he was somewhat less. Russell limited him to 20.3 ppg on .549 shooting, while Nate held him to 20.7 ppg on .562 shooting. And, those numbers were consistent with Chamberlain's playoff performances against each, as well. Wilt averaged 17.5 ppg on .560 shooting against Nate, and he averaged 21.6 ppg on .556 shooting against Russell.
Interesting, too, though...while we don't have Russell or Thurmond's regular season scoring and FG% numbers vs. Wilt, we have their overall numbers, and their post-season numbers against Wilt with which we can compare. Russell averaged 13.3 ppg on .454 shooting during the '66-67 regular season. Against Wilt in the '67 ECF's, he averaged 10.2 ppg on .358 shooting. Meanwhile Thurmond averaged 18.7 ppg on .437 shooting in the regular season against the NBA. Against Wilt in the Finals he averaged 14.3 ppg on .343 shooting.
Speaking of Wilt's scoring and shooting in that '66-67 season...how about his numbers vs. the HOF "Twin Towers" of Walt Bellamy and Willis Reed? 22.7 ppg on an eye-popping 70.9 FG%.
Another interesting aspect...Wilt raised his rebounding numbers against both Russell and Nate. In the regular season, Wilt averaged 24.2 rpg against the NBA. In his nine regular season H2H battles with Boston and SF (not sure how many times he faced Nate, though, who missed some 16 games), Chamberlain averaged 25.9 rpg against the Warriors, and 26.7 rpg against Russell. In the post-season, Wilt elevated his rebounding against both even more. He outrebounded Thurmond in five of their six H2H games in the Finals, and had an overall edge of 28.5 rpg to 26.7. Included in those games was a 38 rebound game as well. And he just abused Russell on the glass in the ECF's. He outrebounded Russell, in their five H2H post-season games, by a staggering 32.0 rpg to 23.0 rpg, including a post-season record of 41 in game three. He also pounded Russell in game one by a 32-15 margin, and then in the clinching game five win, he crushed Russell, 36-21.
Incidently, while Wilt dramatically cut back his shooting in that 66-67 season, he had two defining games against Nate and Russell. Early in the season, his 76ers struggled in the first half against the Warriors. At halftime coach Hannum decided to abandon having Wilt pass out of the post, and to concentrate on scoring. In the second half, Wilt poured in 24 points, and finished with 30 points, 26 rebounds, and 12 blocks. And, while Wilt failed to score 30 points against Russell in any games that season (he faced him a total of 14 times), in the clinching game five of the ECF's, the 76ers fell behind by 17 points early in the game. Wilt single-handedly kept Philly in the game in that half by scoring 22 first-half points. The Sixers exploded in the second half, and Wilt did not need to shoot. He finished the game with 29 points, on 10-16 shooting (outscoring Russell 29-4, and outshooting him 10-16 to 2-5), with 13 assists and 36 rebounds.
IMHO, Wilt was in his prime in that 66-67 season. Clearly he could have scored much more. Don't forget that he not only led the NBA in scoring the year before at 33.5 ppg (on .540 shooting), but he could put up huge games against even Russell, as evidenced by his game five in the '66 ECF's when he had a 46-34 game against him. And, during the '66-67 season, Wilt was at his best when he shot MORE. He had the high game in the NBA that season (as he would nearly every year in the decade of the 60's), with that 58 point game that PHILA pointed out (on 26-34 shooting) as well as THREE "perfect" games of 15-15, 16-16, and 18-18 (in a game in which he scored 42 points.) In fact, he made a record of 35 straight FGAs.
Even Rick Barry acknowledged Chamberlain's scoring potential, when he "thanked" him for "allowing" Barry to win the scoring title. Wilt was at his physical prime that year, too, at about 285 lbs., and was relatively injury-free. However, he would be hobbled with an assotment of injuries his very next year (although he still had a phenomenal season.) Interesting too, in that next season ('67-68), Wilt had the FOUR highest scoring games in the NBA, with games of 52, 53, 53, and 68 points. Obviously, in those two years, had Wilt been so inclined, he probably could have easily averaged 35-40 ppg.
That's fockin hard to do. Only time I could do that was in NBA 2K11 hhehehehhe.
Fo real though, Jason Kidd was pretty close LAST YEAR. It was against the Atlanta Hawks last season.
[url]http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300226001[/url]
Jason Kidd - 19 points, 16 rebounds and 17 assists. Amazing stateline.
I think j-kidd had a 25+/14/14 game before.