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[QUOTE=Joey Zaza]25.3ppg, 5.3rpg, 4.7apg on 45%
24.3ppg, 10rpg, 6.3apg on 50%
Give me the guy with less bds, less assts, and worse shooting everytime. I mean how often do you find a guy with 25-5-5...its pretty darn rare in this league.[/QUOTE]
I like how facetious you are.
[QUOTE=Joey Zaza]25.3ppg, 5.3rpg, 4.7apg on 45%
24.3ppg, 10rpg, 6.3apg on 50%
Give me the guy with less bds, less assts, and worse shooting everytime. I mean how often do you find a guy with 25-5-5...its pretty darn rare in this league.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Joey Zaza]25.3ppg, 5.3rpg, 4.7apg on 45%
24.3ppg, 10rpg, 6.3apg on 50%
Give me the guy with less bds, less assts, and worse shooting everytime. I mean how often do you find a guy with 25-5-5...its pretty darn rare in this league.[/QUOTE]
I agree.
I would still take Kobe because he has the intangibles.
He has hit more game winners and played more shutdown defense than Bird.
[QUOTE=Joey Zaza]25.3ppg, 5.3rpg, 4.7apg on 45%
24.3ppg, 10rpg, 6.3apg on 50%
Give me the guy with less bds, less assts, and worse shooting everytime. I mean how often do you find a guy with 25-5-5...its pretty darn rare in this league.[/QUOTE]
This.
Bird will butt rape the Rapist easily
I mean come on
3 back-2-back-2-back MVPs over Top 5 GOAT MAGIC
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1 consolidation MVP in 15 seasons.
3 rings as "Da Man" in Stacked Golden NBA Era of '80s
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2 rings.
Bird Top 5 GOAT & best SF Evvaaa easily.
"overrated" Kobe aint fit enough to lick Larry Legend's sneakers.
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If Larry bird had prime shaq for 8 years he'd win no less than 6 rings.
Shaq is basically a bigger more devastating versiOn of Kevin mchale. Larry never envied his team mates and would never sabotage an NBA finals to get someone traded. Ballhogging on 38% shooting Against the 04 pistons would never happen.
There are only 3 players in history I'd choose over bird, mr 38% is not one of them.
For me the top 4 perimeter players of all time are MJ, Kobe, Magic, and Bird. MJ and Kobe have the great D and athletic ability that seperates them from Magic and Bird. But Magic is a better rebounder, passer, and can play 4-5 positions. Bird is a better shooter, rebounder, and many feel a better passer. So as a player and career resume, I'm taking Kobe over Bird at this point. But if one were to say Bird, I wouldn't argue too hard.
[QUOTE=bizil]For me the top 4 perimeter players of all time are MJ, Kobe, Magic, and Bird. MJ and Kobe have the great D and athletic ability that seperates them from Magic and Bird. But Magic is a better rebounder, passer, and can play 4-5 positions. Bird is a better shooter, rebounder, and many feel a better passer. So as a player and career resume, I'm taking Kobe over Bird at this point. But if one were to say Bird, I wouldn't argue too hard.[/QUOTE]
its just so easy to gobb on Kobe knob, isn't it. Well, Kobe's a great perimeter player like Bird. But he D's it better so Kobe
He did nothing as well as Bird did it. 0. Took a ton more shots to score 1 more ppg, he didn't pass like Bird, he couldn't shoot like Bird, he couldn't board like Bird. But somehoe, he did it great like Bird.
...and this Kobe D dream that everyone has. This BS when he wants to he shuts down the other team's best player. He doesn't, he didn't, he hasn't. Its a dream - based on every now and then Kobe meeting a guy at half-court and fouling him while trying to look tough. He's not that player...and he never took a turn on Nash, Duncan, Kidd, KG, Shaq, Dirk, Amare, Melo, Deron, CP3, AI or really any of the best players of Kobe's generation.
His 1.5 spg tell the exact story of kobe's d. Its pretty average.
[QUOTE=Joey Zaza]His 1.5 spg tell the exact story of kobe's d. Its pretty average.[/QUOTE]
I guess Allen Iverson is the best defender in history then.
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This ****ing clown. How is he not banned?
[QUOTE=Droid101]I guess Allen Iverson is the best defender in history then.
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Defensive stats do not tell the story of defense -- but in Kobe's case, 1.5 spg represents his level of defense. He is good. He can make a play, but he's not a beast or a demon. He's not Tony Allen or Bruce Bowen. For an offensive player, he's good.
[QUOTE=Droid101]This ****ing clown. How is he not banned?[/QUOTE]
Rule No.1 of Kobe fan-dom any dissent as to Kobe's greatness is met with personal insults.
[QUOTE=Joey Zaza]Defensive stats do not tell the story of defense -- but in Kobe's case, 1.5 spg represents his level of defense. He is good. He can make a play, but he's not a beast or a demon. [B][U] He's not Tony Allen or Bruce Bowen. For an offensive player, he's good.[/U][/B]
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He was back when he was Frobe in the early 2000s. Kobe still played great defense from 06-09. The 2009-2010 season was when Kobe officially stopped playing defense and when he couldn't play defense anymore.
[QUOTE=ThaSwagg3r]He was back when he was Frobe in the early 2000s. Kobe still played great defense from 06-09. The 2009-2010 season was when Kobe officially stopped playing defense and when he couldn't play defense anymore.[/QUOTE]
If you say so - I never saw "great" defense. Offensive players seldom play "great" defense except when they are iso'd against and the world is watching them. The away from the ball, ball denial, battling for position--is not really an offensive player focus...then again fans doon't watch that either, so maybe Kobe did that great. Maybe Bird did that great too.
:facepalm [B]Bird was so much better than Bryant its not even funny
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[QUOTE=Joey Zaza]its just so easy to gobb on Kobe knob, isn't it. Well, Kobe's a great perimeter player like Bird. But he D's it better so Kobe
He did nothing as well as Bird did it. 0. Took a ton more shots to score 1 more ppg, he didn't pass like Bird, he couldn't shoot like Bird, he couldn't board like Bird. But somehoe, he did it great like Bird.
...and this Kobe D dream that everyone has. This BS when he wants to he shuts down the other team's best player. He doesn't, he didn't, he hasn't. Its a dream - based on every now and then Kobe meeting a guy at half-court and fouling him while trying to look tough. He's not that player...and he never took a turn on Nash, Duncan, Kidd, KG, Shaq, Dirk, Amare, Melo, Deron, CP3, AI or really any of the best players of Kobe's generation.
His 1.5 spg tell the exact story of kobe's d. Its pretty average.[/QUOTE]
U r insane! It's a FACT that Kobe was an elite perimeter defender. He SMOKES Bird as a one on one defender. Kobe had lockdown ability when it came to defense. I'm not saying he's better than MJ, Cooper, Bowen, Moncrief, or guys like that. But I feel Kobe was still an elite, All League defender who could defend three positons.
As far as rebounding, Bird was an SF at 6'9 230 pounds who played a lot of PF. So that's to be expected. Passing u can say Bird. But Kobe is a guy who has the vision and handles to be a great passer. Kobe can set his guys up better than Bird can off the dribble. Kobe is more than capable of playing PG. Even though Bird has point forward skills, I wouldn't play Bird at point.
As far as shooting, Bird has more range on his shot. But he's NOT a better midrange shooter than Kobe or MJ. If you are talking pure midrange shooting, Kobe, MJ, and the Iceman are guys who take a backseat to NOBODY! Bird belongs in that group has an all time great midrange shooter too. Hell Bird could be the best shooter of all time. But Bird IS NOT a better midrange shooter than Kobe. If anything you slob on Bird's knob! I'm just keeping it real and Kobe is the closest thing to MJ. MJ is better than Bird. And Kobe is close enough to MJ. So Kobe is better than Bird too. But Bird isn't far off in my book either. But MJ and Kobe can do ANYTHING Bird can do pound for pound except prolific three point shooting. And when they get hot, they can kill u from three point range.
Bird can't touch Kobe's defensive capabilities or athletic ability. Kobe's mix of skills and athletic ability enable him to do shit Bird could only dream of. Most guys with those set of skills DIDN'T have that kind of freak athletic ability. MJ was the guy to combine the two and guys like Kobe, Wade, and T Mac followed suit.
Afro Kobe's one on one defense was good.But nothing special to make a case for him over Bird.