Was Scottie Pippen at least once robbed for Defensive Player of the Year?

Tough to say. As others pointed out though he played in THE dominant center era. I mean he played when guys like prime Mutumbo, Mourning, Hakeem, D Rob, Shaq were in the game. That being said Pippen is the best perimeter of all time right behind Gary Payton.

He should have been the DPOY in 1995. They just gave it to Mutombo because he led the league in bpg.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Tough to say. As others pointed out though he played in THE dominant center era. I mean he played when guys like prime Mutumbo, Mourning, Hakeem, D Rob, Shaq were in the game. That being said Pippen is the best perimeter of all time right behind Gary Payton.[/QUOTE]

Pippen and Jordan were both greater defensively than Gary Payton.

I thought Pippen had a legit case in 1994 and especially in 1995 where I think he should have won it. Even though he was a SF he anchored his teams defensively with the impact of a center and he had to because his frontcourt was god-awful in '95. He was also #1 or #2 in steals. When it came to the overall package of one on one defense, help defense, steals, blocking shots, and taking charges he was second to none.

I think Payton winning DPOY in '96 was an even greater insult since he had nowhere near the impact of Pippen on that side of the floor.

[QUOTE=Owl]I'd say no, especially not unless someone presents a specific year where there's a compelling case for "Pippen > everyone else".

It's partially a function of era and partially to do with the relative value of perimeter defenders versus big man (plus a little of the aforementioned MJ and Pip negating one another in voters minds).
It doesn't mean Pip wasn't one of the greatest wing defenders ever.[/QUOTE]
Ill give a specific year. 1995. He was the best defender in the league. And shouldve won it over mutombo.

He led the league in steals, the bulls were second in team defense. Mutombos nuggets were like 14th. He had the highest defensive rating. Made allnba first team defense and waas the leading vote getter. And the bulls had a better record than the nuggets.

The only thing mutombo had over pippen is blocks. And pippen avg 1a game too.

[QUOTE=AngelEyes]Pippen and Jordan were both greater defensively than Gary Payton.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. Payton is the best perimeter defender in NBA history in my opinion. Though Pippen and Jordan absolutely are NOT far behind.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]I disagree. Payton is the best perimeter defender in NBA history in my opinion. Though Pippen and Jordan absolutely are NOT far behind.[/QUOTE]

Pippen and Jordan had much more versatility than Gary Payton defensively and could also wreak more havoc. Payton was damn good but there's no way he's as good as those two. Payton also didn't have the physical talent that Pippen and Jordan had, which they utilized so brilliantly on the defensive end.

[QUOTE=AngelEyes]Pippen and Jordan had much more versatility than Gary Payton defensively and could also wreak more havoc. Payton was damn good but there's no way he's as good as those two. Payton also didn't have the physical talent that Pippen and Jordan had, which they utilized so brilliantly on the defensive end.[/QUOTE]

Payton made up for it with more tenacity and quicker hands than Pippen/Jordan on D. As I said they are all debatable but I have Payton at the top.

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[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Payton made up for it with more tenacity and quicker hands than Pippen/Jordan on D. As I said they are all debatable but I have Payton at the top.

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[QUOTE=AngelEyes]He definitely didn't have quicker hands than Michael Jordan, and him being voted defensive player of the year hardly makes him superior to Pippen. I can't control how the writers voted 16 years ago and whichever way they voted means very little for me. Jordan's hands were every bit as quick as Payton's and his physical ability allowed him to do far more on the defensive end. Pippen's versatility on defense is only rivaled and perhaps surpassed by Rodman's peak years and Lebron James.[/QUOTE]

You're not getting my point. Media has never picked another PG in NBA history. We've seen time and time again how they favor bigmen. The fact that Payton won DPOY in the ultimate prime of NBA centers (90's) speaks VOLUMES of just how dominant his D was. You also seem to be valuing defensive versatility over defensive impact. Dwight Howard, Tyson Chandler, Serge Ibaka can't guard any position outside of 4-5 but that doesn't mean Iguodala is a better defender than them right?

Same idea. Payton may have been limited to guarding 1's and 2's but he was better at what he did guard than Jordan/Pippen.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]You're not getting my point. Media has never picked another PG in NBA history. We've seen time and time again how they favor bigmen. The fact that Payton won DPOY in the ultimate prime of NBA centers (90's) speaks VOLUMES of just how dominant his D was. You also seem to be valuing defensive versatility over defensive impact. Dwight Howard, Tyson Chandler, Serge Ibaka can't guard any position outside of 4-5 but that doesn't mean Iguodala is a better defender than them right?

Same idea. Payton may have been limited to guarding 1's and 2's but he was better at what he did guard than Jordan/Pippen.[/QUOTE]

Eh, you're overvaluing the impact of Payton's first place finish. Payton won the award because he had a great reputation for defense and the Sonics were the best team in their conference. His dominance on defense is not the same as Jordan or Pippen. When I'm talking about these two, I'm valuing both versatility and impact, which is greater than Gary Payton. Either Pippen or Jordan could switch on to a 1,2 3 (in pippen's case a 4 as well) and take them out of the game.' Payton could disrupt a player's rhythm on defense but I don't see the same kind of dominance on defense and I don't think he should have won the award.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]You're not getting my point. Media has never picked another PG in NBA history. We've seen time and time again how they favor bigmen. The fact that Payton won DPOY in the ultimate prime of NBA centers (90's) speaks VOLUMES of just how dominant his D was. You also seem to be valuing defensive versatility over defensive impact. Dwight Howard, Tyson Chandler, Serge Ibaka can't guard any position outside of 4-5 but that doesn't mean Iguodala is a better defender than them right?

Same idea. Payton may have been limited to guarding 1's and 2's but he was better at what he did guard than Jordan/Pippen.[/QUOTE]

The idea of the media never picking point guards is misguided, the media primarily picks big men and does not pick guards. Guys like Alvin Robertson, Jordan and Sidney Moncrief winning it made it easier for someone like Gary Payton winning it. It doesn't mean his dominance just couldn't be overlooked, he had a good year like he usually did, it doesn't mean he should've won it because he probably shouldn't have. Pippen was the better defender on the better team and his impact was greater.

Agree to disagree :confusedshrug: .

My top 5 perimeter defenders of all time IN MY OPINION

1. Gary Payton
2. Scottie Pippen
3. Sidney Moncrief
4. Michael Jordan
5. Dennis Johnson

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]You're not getting my point. Media has never picked another PG in NBA history. We've seen time and time again how they favor bigmen. The fact that Payton won DPOY in the ultimate prime of NBA centers (90's) speaks VOLUMES of just how dominant his D was. You also seem to be valuing defensive versatility over defensive impact. Dwight Howard, Tyson Chandler, Serge Ibaka can't guard any position outside of 4-5 but that doesn't mean Iguodala is a better defender than them right?

Same idea.[B] Payton may have been limited to guarding 1's and 2's but he was better at what he did guard than Jordan/Pippen[/B].[/QUOTE]

The thing is... he wasn't. Pippen and Jordan would routinely lock down on a guy and take them out of the game, while still playing the passing lanes and leading to fastbreak points. Payton was a very good defender and one of the best defensive point guards but in no way does his defensive impact rival Pippen or Jordan.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Agree to disagree :confusedshrug: .

My top 5 perimeter defenders of all time IN MY OPINION

1. Gary Payton
2. Scottie Pippen
3. Sidney Moncrief
4. Michael Jordan
5. Dennis Johnson[/QUOTE]

Payton should be on the bottom of that list and no way, as good as he was, should Sidney Moncrief be higher than Jordan. Jordan could take over a game on defense in a way Sidney Moncrief just couldn't. Moncrief was a nuisance on defense but Jordan could eliminate your best scorer and create havoc throughout the game.