Anthropomorphic Measurement of NBA bigmen 60s/70s vs Modern NBA era

[QUOTE]"Bill Russell - Center
Height w/o shoes: [B]6-9.63[/B]"
Wingspan: 7-4
Standing Reach w/o shoes: ~9-4
Hand Length: 10.5"
Hand Width: 9.5"
Career weight range: [B]215[/B]-240lbs"[/QUOTE]

durant's 235 and about the same height.

imagine durant playing center.

[QUOTE=Punpun]No way. And for a good reason. Just look at track and field. Athlete now are way better than back then. And the 11 centers you listed were freaks of nature. 11 freaks in 30 years. Most of them would have normal size nowadays. And be less strong, less athletic etc.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm Whaaaaaat?

Please, I seriously would appreciate if you watched this and got back to me to tell me the guys I mentioned are "freaks". Look at Bill Bridges, and Zelmo Beaty and Leroy Ellis, and Gene Wiley and all the other centers playing in the league that I did not mention. Then consider that this footage is only the early/mid 60's, of 4 or 5 teams, from 5 or 6 games. Are these guys all freaks too? The guys I listed are simply the guys I found anthropomorphic measurements for, they are random and they include (as mentioned) Wes Unseld, the midget center of that era - far from a "freak" specimen aside from his low center of gravity.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWVi0EtJcZg[/url]

Are you still trying to argue Russel, Wilt, KAJ, to only cite them, are randoms C ? :oldlol:

It's funny how all athelte have volved much stronger, faster etc. in every single sports BUT BASKET. That is, according to you. And that's laughable. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=DCL]durant's 235 and about the same height.

imagine durant playing center.[/QUOTE]

1. Durant is a freak, no argument there.

2. Your numbers? False.

[url]http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kevin-Durant-390/[/url]

And I do believe he put on at least 10lbs, but I don't think he weighs 235. That's how big David Robinson was in his prime. Durant is not that heavy, especially considering he's no where near the bulk Robinson was and Robinson was 7-0 barefoot, vs ~6-9-6-10 that Durant is (my guess is Durant grew to maybe 6-9.5)

[QUOTE=Punpun]Are you still trying to argue Russel, Wilt, KAJ, to only cite them, are randoms C ? :oldlol:

It's funny how all athelte have volved much stronger, faster etc. in every single sports BUT BASKET. That is, according to you. And that's laughable. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Oh I'm sorry did I not include any analagous "freaks" from this own era on the very same post? Shaq? Biyombo? Howard? McGee? :roll: cry me a river dude

The "NBA has bigger players now" and "NBA has bigger players than Euroleague" crap is just all NBA marketing and propaganda.

It's not true. The Euroleague players are freaking taller than NBA players. Not to mention that the current NBA centers absolutely suck.

It's just NBA marketing.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Those are the heaviest numbers I could find printed in the newspapers of all of them, they actually seem quite reasonable too me, players today are just heavier than players back than that's the one real difference and I think that's due to the pressure of trainers insisting players play heavier today (which I think kills players health but w/e). Javale McGee was 228lbs, Anthony Davis 222, Kevin Garnett under 220, and David Robinson 226 in their early 20's/rookie seasons. Kareem was a 225lb rookie and only 235 all throughout the 70's (though at one point I think he peaked at 240). In an era where running up and down the floor is favorable 240-260lbs players are huge. Had they played today they'd be heavier sure but unless there's seasons where they got overweight that I don't know about those numbers don't look too off base IMO relative to their competition.[/QUOTE]

I'll put it another way (to relate better to some competition from the same era): I find it hard to believe that Jerry Lucas at his heaviest was a measly 5 lbs lighter than Nate Thurmond at his heaviest or 10 lbs lighter than the heaviest Willis Reed, unless I missed some version of Lucas I never knew about. These are guys who were both taller and thicker than him.
Wes Unseld's weight seems more plausible, but Unseld was only a hair above 6'7.

[QUOTE=Punpun]What you don take in considerations here, is that not only are you only taking an handful of C from back then (11 over a span of 30 years) but that you aren't considering that players nowadays [B]are stronger, faster and are way more athletic than back then.[/B] On average of course but also at the very top. D12 and Shaq are on a whole another level physic wise than anyone. Bar maybe Wilt "I was born 40 years too soon" Chamberlain.

Not hating or anything on the oldschool era, but I refuse to believe Basketball's level of the contemporany era doesn't outclass the oldschool era. That's the evolution of the game.[/QUOTE]

I hate to break it to you, but this is pure bull shit. Just like it's pure bull shit that NBA players are all bigger, stronger, faster, more athletic than Euroleague players.

Anyone that believes this crap is a dumb ass.

It's just total bull shit that comes from NBA marketing and the sports media that has contracts with the NBA. People that believe this shit are morons.

Also, you seem to confuse "bigger and stronger" with more drug abuse. NBA players use drugs more now than they did in the 60s and 70s.

[QUOTE=DCL]durant's 235 and about the same height.

imagine durant playing center.[/QUOTE]

Are you saying that you actually believe the NBA heights and weights are accurate?

Durant is in no way in hell 235 pounds.

Cavalier, how does it feel to have the same opinion as Euroleague, the most obvious troll on insidehoops ? :yaohappy:

Ps : You have yet to address the fact that, according ot you, all athelte in EVERY sports got mot atheltic etc but in Bball.

[QUOTE=Punpun]Cavalier, how does it feel to have the same opinion as Euroleague, the most obvious troll on insidehoops ? :yaohappy

Ps : You have yet to address the fact that, according ot you, all athelte in EVERY sports got mot atheltic etc but in Bball.[/QUOTE]

You are a dumb ass.

Athletes have not all gotten more athletic. People that believe this really are stupid.

When peoplee mention West,Wilt, Kareem, Worthy, Magic, Russell, Unseld... They forget these guys were considered freaks in diff ways. West had borderline wingspan that a Rondo has! it was unheard of then.

Players are definitely longer on average. IF you were 6'6 in 1970s with a 6'10 Wingspan, it was CRAZY now you got 6'6 players with 7'1 wingspans

[QUOTE=PP34Deuce]When peoplee mention West,Wilt, Kareem, Worthy, Magic, Russell, Unseld... They forget these guys were considered freaks in diff ways. West had borderline wingspan that a Rondo has! [B]it was unheard of then.[/B]

Players are definitely longer on average. IF you were 6'6 in 1970s with a 6'10 Wingspan, it was CRAZY now you got 6'6 players with 7'1 wingspans[/QUOTE]
False. I frequently come across other players in other articles or interviews who also had long wingspans regardless of their impact on the league. Such as John Havlicek, or Satch Sanders whom I've now read had a 7-1 wingspan (despite only being likely ~6-6 barefoot, an inch shorter than Scottie Pippen yet with the same armspan), Cousy is oft mentioned as having long arms and long fingers and he himself said "you've got to be some what of a freak to play this game", and Sam Jones and Satch Sanders were talking about some joe-blow roleplayer named Rudy Larusso for his long wingspan while re-watching one of their old finals games. And are we just going to forget about Phil Jackson too? The long wingspan prototype for good basketball players does not appear strictly reserved for the stars in the 60's at all, it actually appears to have been well established and randomly distributed in the 60's among all types of players including role players and bench warmers. Jerry West's wingspan is certainly noted [I]nowadays[/I] but by no means does any material from that era paint the idea that he was some unheard of freak. In old articles/videos/interviews his wingspan is mentioned [I]no more often than a variety of other players back then.[/I] I don't know where you people get your info about public perception of these guys - I seriously think most of you make it up in your imagination.

Watch my 1964/65 video I posted if you don't believe me. Jim King on the Lakers "perhaps the fastest guard in the league" (also, he dunks his footwork is :eek: and has very large hands and he's only 6-2). Leroy Ellis, "perhaps the fastest man in the league" also on the Lakers roster, he's ~6-10 and you can see in the footage the dude is a physical freak athlete. Yet both King and Ellis never amounted to anything beyond roleplayers. No, the stars of that era were not freaks above and beyond everyone else no more so than Dwight Howard could be considered a freak above and beyond Javale McGee... You can be a freak but not a star in the 1960's just like today. The variety of specimens in the 60's does not appear to measurably differ from the variety of specimens found in the game today.

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[QUOTE=Euroleague]I hate to break it to you, but this is pure bull shit. Just like it's pure bull shit that NBA players are all bigger, stronger, faster, more athletic than Euroleague players.

Anyone that believes this crap is a dumb ass.

It's just total bull shit that comes from NBA marketing and the sports media that has contracts with the NBA. People that believe this shit are morons.

Also, you seem to confuse "bigger and stronger" with more drug abuse. NBA players use drugs more now than they did in the 60s and 70s.[/QUOTE]

:oldlol: No one is talking about Euroleague players. This is a comparison between modern era NBA vs the past NBA, yet somehow you manage to slip in Euroleague agenda. I love it!