[QUOTE=General]Pete Maravich and George Mikan don't resonate with fans today:roll:
Replace them with Kobe.[/QUOTE]
They resonate with fans who aren't 13 years old.
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[QUOTE=General]Pete Maravich and George Mikan don't resonate with fans today:roll:
Replace them with Kobe.[/QUOTE]
They resonate with fans who aren't 13 years old.
[QUOTE=General]Pete Maravich and George Mikan don't resonate with fans today:roll:
Replace them with Kobe.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't mean they weren't important.
Still, I would replace Maravich with West. West as the Logo, and until Bird showed up, the GOAT white player.
[QUOTE=WillC]
[B][U]Toughest omissions:[/U][/B]
Elgin Baylor - 10 time All-NBA 1st Team
LeBron James - Youngest player in NBA history to score 15,000 points
Shaquille O'Neal - 15-time NBA All-Star
[/QUOTE]
LOL. If those are reasons then why exactly is Kobe not up there? Youngest all star Starter in HISTORY. 14 time all star. Started every single one. 4 time all star game MVP. 97 Slam Dunk Competition winner. And i believe before Lebron, Kobe was the fastest to 15,000 right? Even if not, all his scoring feats, (81 point game, 62 in 3 quarters, numerous 40/50 point streaks) should put him on this toughest omission list lol.
Not saying he deserves to be top 10, but if for Baylor, James and O'Neal are tough to omit for your reasons above, then Kobe def has to be up there.
[QUOTE=SuperPippen]Doesn't mean they weren't important.
Still, I would replace Maravich with West. West as the Logo, and until Bird showed up, the GOAT white player.[/QUOTE]
It's a tough call between West and Maravich.
[U]In West's favour:[/U]
- Better NBA career
- NBA logo
[U]In Maravich's favour:[/U]
- Better NCAA career
- Arguably captured public's imagination more than West did
- Changed the game with his showmanship
[QUOTE=WillC]It's a tough call between West and Maravich.
[U]In West's favour:[/U]
- Better NBA career
- NBA logo
[U]In Maravich's favour:[/U]
- Better NCAA career
- Arguably captured public's imagination more than West did
- Changed the game with his showmanship[/QUOTE]
NCAA is just not significant though. Incredibly low level, amateur competition. NCAA is nothing compared to NBA.
Changed the game with his showmanship is rich too. Guys like Cousy did it all decades before.
Lebron has actually a couple of tough omissions or VERY significant stuff in his resume...
[B]Lebron James - Toughest Omissions [/B]
-Youngest to every thousand point milestone from 1,000 points through 19,000 points.
(this will be extremly hard to beat)
-1st SG/SF/PF to average over 8.0 APG in NBA history and has also the highest assist average in NBA history from a SF (and any non-PG) in NBA history at 8.6 (8.57) APG.
(this i think will be impossible to beat unless we see the next better version of Magic/Lebron in the future playing SG/SF or PF)
-Only player in NBA history to average at least 27.6 points, 7.2 rebounds and 6.9 assists for their career (or hell even the only one with at least 26-6-6)
(this i think will be somewhat impossible to beat aswell)
-Most consecutive points in NBA playoff history scored for a team in a playoff game with 25 straight points at the Detroit Pistons on May 31, 2007
(this will be extremly hard to beat)
-Youngest To score 2,000 points in a season.
(this will be extremly hard to beat)
-Youngest in NBA history to be selected #1 on the Draft (18).
(this will be extremly hard to beat)
-Youngest in NBA history to be named rookie of the year (18).
(this will be extremly hard to beat)
-Youngest in NBA history to record a triple double.
(this will be somewhat hard to beat aswell)
-Youngest in NBA history to average at least 30 points per game in the NBA.
(this will be extremly hard to beat)
-Youngest in NBA history to be awarded 1st All-NBA honors.
(this will be extremly hard to beat)
-Has the most Player of the Month awards in NBA history (20).
(this will IMPOSSIBLE to beat considering he has many more to get)
I feel KG should be in the top 10. Was he a top 10 player? No. However, he was the poster boy for picks straight out of high school and was the first one for twenty years. After him, you had a bunch of guys come out of highschool (Kobe, Lebron, Bynum, TMac, etc.). It may be impossible to go from prep to pro straight now, but KG kickstarted the prep-to-pro movement and it was important.
One more signicant thing for Lebron:
-1st player in basketball history to have his highschool games nationally televised and on pay-per-view...
[QUOTE=LJJ]NCAA is just not significant though. Incredibly low level, amateur competition. NCAA is nothing compared to NBA.
Changed the game with his showmanship is rich too. Guys like Cousy did it all decades before.[/QUOTE]
The NCAA might not be significant to some people. However, to others, it is more important than the NCAA. Pete Maravich might be the poster child for the NCAA.
You're right, players like Bob Cousy, Bob Davies and, before them, Hank Luisetti all played with a flashy style, e.g. behind-the-back dribbles, no-look passes, fast-breaks, etc.
However, it was Maravich who truly mastered the art and captured the public's imagination. His dribbling ability had never been seen before. Meanwhile, some of his 'slap' passes haven't been seen since.
pauk, LeBron's achievements are all well and good. However, none of them jump off the page quite like the others in my top 10.
I fully expect LeBron to be in my top 10 by the time he retires. By then, he'll probably have the most points in regular season and playoff history, as well as perhaps the most MVP awards.
Until then, I can't find one single accomplishment that makes me want to put him in the top 10. Like I said though, he's one of my toughest omissions and is a lock for the future.
[QUOTE=pauk]Lebron has actually a couple of tough omissions or VERY significant stuff in his resume...
[B]Lebron James - Toughest Omissions [/B]
-Youngest to every thousand point milestone from 1,000 points through 19,000 points.
(this will be extremly hard to beat)
-1st SG/SF/PF to average over 8.0 APG in NBA history and has also the highest assist average in NBA history from a SF (and any non-PG) in NBA history at 8.6 (8.57) APG.
(this i think will be impossible to beat unless we see the next better version of Magic/Lebron in the future playing SG/SF or PF)
-Only player in NBA history to average at least 27.6 points, 7.2 rebounds and 6.9 assists for their career (or hell even the only one with at least 26-6-6)
(this i think will be somewhat impossible to beat aswell)
-Most consecutive points in NBA playoff history scored for a team in a playoff game with 25 straight points at the Detroit Pistons on May 31, 2007
(this will be extremly hard to beat)
-Youngest To score 2,000 points in a season.
(this will be extremly hard to beat)
-Youngest in NBA history to be selected #1 on the Draft (18).
(this will be extremly hard to beat)
-Youngest in NBA history to be named rookie of the year (18).
(this will be extremly hard to beat)
-Youngest in NBA history to record a triple double.
(this will be somewhat hard to beat aswell)
-Youngest in NBA history to average at least 30 points per game in the NBA.
(this will be extremly hard to beat)
-Youngest in NBA history to be awarded 1st All-NBA honors.
(this will be extremly hard to beat)
-Has the most Player of the Month awards in NBA history (20).
(this will IMPOSSIBLE to beat considering he has many more to get)[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=WillC]
However, it was Maravich who truly mastered the art and captured the public's imagination. His dribbling ability had never been seen before. Meanwhile, some of his 'slap' passes haven't been seen since.[/QUOTE]
I'd say Cousy mastered it in his day to a level far beyond Maravich. Cousy played flashy on the road to a dynasty. He was an MVP. He was revolutionary to a much greater extent than Maravich. Cousy is one of the founding fathers of the modern point guard position. Maravich's style we only see in bit players like Jason Williams.
Maravich was more of a perversion of Cousy's style. Flash at the expense of function in many cases. Lots of turnovers sacrificed for that one highlight reel. Lost of wins sacrificed for that one highlight reel.
It's fine if you want to place Maravich in your personal "significance" top ten strictly based on popularity and personal statistics in a low level amateur competition, but don't try and make up other reasons along the way. It's not fair to the true innovators of the game.
One more thing for MJ which i think is ridicilously significant:
-Highest career PER average in NBA season & playoff history...
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[QUOTE=LJJ]I'd say Cousy mastered it in his day to a level far beyond Maravich. Cousy played flashy on the road to a dynasty.
Maravich was more of a perversion of Cousy's style. Flash at the expense of function in many cases. Lots of turnovers sacrificed for that one highlight reel. Lost of wins sacrificed for that one highlight reel.[/QUOTE]
Fair points, for sure.
Then again, Cousy didn't average 40+ ppg in college or experience quite the same hero-worship that Maravich did.
Cousy should probably be on my 'toughest omissions' list by the way. I certainly considered him for the top 10 just as much as I did LeBron, Baylor and Shaq.