Definitive Proof of Extraterrestrials??

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Doesn't the mere probability of signs of extra-terrestrial visitations kind of throw the whole theory of evolution out the window, which is what Atheists tend to cling to as their reason for "being"??[/QUOTE]

first of all (and you should know this by now) atheism has nothing to do with evolution, so whether or not it is true has no bearing on anything.

second of all, evolution is likely to exist in any type of species extra-terrestrial or not. evolution occurs here on earth because it is a process that occurs in the natural universe.

aliens could have put us on here using a specific set of designed genetic information, but since that point we have still undergone evolution because reproduction produces random mutations which are subsequently propagated (or not) throughout the species.

[QUOTE=miller-time]first of all (and you should know this by now) atheism has nothing to do with evolution, so whether or not it is true has no bearing on anything.

second of all, evolution is likely to exist in any type of species extra-terrestrial or not. evolution occurs here on earth because it is a process that occurs in the natural universe.

aliens could have put us on here using a specific set of designed genetic information, but since that point we have still undergone evolution because reproduction produces random mutations which are subsequently propagated (or not) throughout the species.[/QUOTE]

Well, to be more specific the thought that humans evolved from primates.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Well, to be more specific the thought that humans evolved from primates.[/QUOTE]

Dude, just stop. Are you really going to reach that far and try to argue that the existence of aliens discredits evolution?

That doesn't even begin to make sense.

You do know that most rational theists believe in guided evolution, right? That "God" still created the universe but also the mechanism of evolution through which species developed?

You are free to ignore the facts, but you do so at your own peril, and you don't get to be offended when people fail to take you seriously.

[QUOTE=MetsPackers]Uh oh, shit just got real! C[B]an't wait till all those athiests get exposed! [/B]Anyone who doesn't think aliens have visited this planet is a fool![/QUOTE]

WHat a stupid sentence.

[QUOTE=Take Your Lumps]You do know that most rational theists believe in guided evolution, right? That "God" still created the universe but also the mechanism of evolution through which species developed?[/QUOTE]

it makes more sense to use evolution than to specially create everything. in the same way god doesn't put every grain of sand specially in place he also doesn't design every organism that lives down to the molecular level. there are bigger principles in play that govern where and how things are placed or put together. namely physics - or at a biological level - natural selection.

Aliens exist, but have never visited earth. Why? Because think about it, intergalactic travel could never be possible, it would take some sort of infinite energy combined with infinite time to get anywhere in the universe. The "Aliens" would have to be able to live a 1000 years just take make it to the nearest habitable planet within their own galaxy (if space travel was possible and they had infinite energy), Other galaxies are just too far away. Thats the first reason. Second, is why the F would aliens come here and do some random shit. If they can travel the universe they would have to be highly intelligent. Randomly stopping by earth for no reason just doesn't make sense. The aliens have to have some sort of motive.

Sci-Fi movies pretty much dictate what people think the future will be like. But if you look at it realistically. We stuck on this planet and we ain't getting no visitors.

cant wait to c the faces of aliens when they come back here and expect to see primitive based civilizations, but get a nuke up their ass instead

humans are very close to light speed travel in the near future, maybe in 50 years, we will achieve that

watch the show, through the wormhole narrated by morgan freeman, they get really scientific about all these possibilities

[QUOTE=miller-time]i disagree to some extent. it is a matter of luck really. stones given all climates will fair better overall, but in the right place a book or vinyl or a cd could last 10,000 years. in fact you could probably rattle of a list of a few dozen mediums that could survive the ages - both artistic and industrial. we are always finding scraps of old scrolls around the place and we have billions of more books and albums in the world than they had pieces of parchment.[/QUOTE]
What about non-corrosive items like stainless steel or titanium?

I remember watching, listening and reading tons of information on OVNIS growing up in Mexico City. It wasn't some ramblings of a crazed conspiracy theorist or in some small tv show/radio show. These were serious conversations that one would find on American networks and shows. They Mexican people treat this shit in a completely different manner than Americans do. Americans always discuss these matters with a bit of sarcastic skepticism, almost ridiculing the idea. I guess most people here feel that they'll be ridiculed for believing in UFOs, but that's not the case over there and I'm sure in most places around the world.

[QUOTE=andgar923]I remember watching, listening and reading tons of information on OVNIS growing up in Mexico City. It wasn't some ramblings of a crazed conspiracy theorist or in some small tv show/radio show. These were serious conversations that one would find on American networks and shows. They Mexican people treat this shit in a completely different manner than Americans do. Americans always discuss these matters with a bit of sarcastic skepticism, almost ridiculing the idea. I guess most people here feel that they'll be ridiculed for believing in UFOs, but that's not the case over there and I'm sure in most places around the world.[/QUOTE]

Asian people don't believe in aliens, for the most part don't see UFO's, little green men,etc. The whole world doesn't discuss these things with seriousness, not quite.

Why aren't there anything left behind? Any metal? Or skeletons? Bones? Imprints of strange hands or tracks? Why does everything seem so human?

I don't think it's impossible but it strikes me as a reach. And it doesn't help that all the "science" comes from people with a emotionally vesting into believing these things are all true.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]I don't want to get into some sort of philosophical debate about religion and belief systems, but suppose these visitations were from God and his angels or what have you.

[B]Doesn't the mere probability of signs of extra-terrestrial visitations kind of throw the whole theory of evolution out the window,[/B] which is what Atheists tend to cling to as their reason for "being"??

If there is intelligent life out there and they have visited us in the past, then can we easily label them as "creators" since we are inferior in intellect? And this is why there is a worship system in every major religion worldwide. We worship and pray to those that are from above, those that are holy and gave us this life or existence. From depictions in stone and on walls, they resemble us with just a few different characteristics.

Throwing out the major religions from your mind for the moment, a plethora of other spiritual groups and tribes can attest their spirituality and spiritual nature from those that came down from the heavens/sky/stars/outer space/etc.[/QUOTE]

How the **** did you put that together? That statement makes no god damn sense.

I think it's fine to not believe in aliens, because currently there is simply no hard evidence.

However if you don't believe in the POSSIBILITY of aliens, then you're just stupid. Just take a look at the goddamn universe, see how small our solar system is, see the billions and billions of other stars/planets out there, and think of it as a numbers game. What are the ODDS?

Movies have also made us think of aliens in a weird way. Why do we always picture them as highly futuristic, intelligent, and travelling in UFO? Their planet might just have a ton of cold blooded reptiles crawling around. Their IQ never develop, that's why they never came here.

Who says aliens need a habitable planet with oxygen and water anyways? There are all types of possibilities.

I often ponder about what if we put one of those organisms or bacteria that can survive in a vacuum type of atmosphere, and we leave them on Mars or something. Few million years later they would turn into lifeforms too, no? we might be able to play creator too.

Am I the only one who sees a massive promotional campaign of a commercial product?

If anything i'd think extraterrestrial life would disprove religion, or rather Christianity in a lot of ways since there is no mention of God creating life outside of our planet. If it all started with Adam and Eve on earth, and no mention of beings created by him elsewhere he's not being very thorough with what he created then. Maybe he put different 'words of God' on every planet with life but you'd think he'd have talked in a more universal scale when telling how things began.

i wonder if this raul julia guy has any history of saying outlandish things. if not, and stephen hawking really is backing him up, i'll have to watch it. its probably easy to pay off the mexican government to back you especially if it helps their tourism industry.

[QUOTE=bluechox2]cant wait to c the faces of aliens when they come back here and expect to see primitive based civilizations, but get a nuke up their ass instead


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And what if they have something that make our nukes look like a joke?


If you really think about human beings...we ARE primitive.